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So when it comes to using a queue, there is a somewhat common design pattern used by NI examples, which makes a producer consumer loop, where the consumer uses a dequeue function with a timeout of -1.  This means the function will wait forever until an event comes in.  But a neat feature of this function is it also returns when the queue reference becomes invalid, which can happen if the queue reference is closed, or if the VI that created that reference stops running.

 

This idea is to have similar functionality when it comes to user events.  I have a common design pattern with a publisher subscriber design where a user event is created and multiple loops register for it.  If for some reason the main VI stops, that reference becomes invalid but my other asynchronous loops will continue running.  In the past I've added a timeout case, where I check to see if the user event is still valid once every 5 seconds or so, and if it isn't then I go through my shutdown process.

 

What I am thinking is that there could be another event to register for, which gets generated when that user event which is registered for, becomes invalid so that polling for the validity of the user event isn't necessary.

 

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This idea came to me from Darren's Nugget 2-23-2018 on Data Agnostic Probes I thought it might be useful to write a Probe.vim or specifically, a data type malleable probe to gain the ability to have some access to the data itself in a general smart probe and maintain the ability to display the data in a type specific manner.

 

One example would be a "Data History Probe" that displays the history values of any data type.  I'm sure there are other good uses.

I envision a structure much like a case structure, in which you select your event for evaluating the code inside the structure and the values become constants at the node. The interior would allow code that may normally not be able to run on the host for example, on fpga it might allow the use of doubles and strings and resized arrays, because it isn't actually going to be executed on the host just evaluated and stored as a constant. This would allow for more configuration for fpga and even have some benefits at the traditional desktop environment. For example you could set the structure to evaluate on app build and produce a string constant that is the build date so the build date could be shown on UI to help distinguish builds. 

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                        NI does not need to worry about the code, I provide it, it's a proposal plug&play  Smiley Happy

 

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The recently introduced Raspberry Pi is a 32 bit ARM based microcontroller board that is very popular. It would be great if we could programme it in LabVIEW. This product could leverage off the already available LabVIEW Embedded for ARM and the LabVIEW Microcontroller SDK (or other methods of getting LabVIEW to run on it).

 

The Raspberry Pi is a $35 (with Ethernet) credit card sized computer that is open hardware. The ARM chip is an Atmel ARM11 running at 700 MHz resulting in 875 MIPS of performance. By way of comparison, the current LabVIEW Embedded for ARM Tier 1 (out-of-the-box experience) boards have only 60 MIPS of processing power. So, about 15 times the processing power!

 

Wouldn’t it be great to programme the Raspberry Pi in LabVIEW?

Single control items have "NewVal" and "OldVal" in the Data Node for Value Change events. This is applies for numeric, boolean, and strings. It would be nice if this feature were included for listbox and multicolumn listbox labels for the "Edit Cell" events.

Use case: I use a listbox to show the materials for which the user has defined experiment settings for. These settings are saved in an XML file with the material name as an attribute. In the event that the user wants to edit the name in the listbox, it would be nice if they could just do that directly in the list box and the XML change will be handled automatically in the background. Currently to find the right element in the XML, I use an XPath to search for the label selected from the listbox. If the user edits the name, I need to know the old value in order to replace the existing name. Presently, this does not work as the Event Data Node only supplies me with the new value.

The LabVIEW Task Manager is an outstanding tool for debugging LabVIEW Applications. It should be included in LabVIEW in my opinion.

 

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Typical question in development process: "How quickly does my code execute? What runs faster... Code A or Code B?" So, if you're like me, you throw in a quick sequence that looks like this:

 

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AHHH! What a mess! It's so hard to fit it in, with FP real estate so packed these days!

 

We need this:

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 Just like my other idea, and for simplicity's sake NI, I would be PERFECTLY happy even if you had to set up the probes during edit mode, and were not able to "probe" while running.

 

 As a bonus, this idea may be extrapolated into n timing probes, where you can find delta t between any two of the probes.

There are times when I leave a VI with modal properties open and then I run the main application that also calls this VI if opened in the development environment. This locks all running windows due to the modal VI. I propose a button in the taskbar that aborts all running VIs OR perhaps a list is opened on right-click of all running VIs Smiley Happy

 

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Hello,

 

As shown in below image we can see that, if I index numeric array and wire it with any of the node from numeric function it gives un-aligned wire whereas as same process if I use Boolean function at output of index it gives well aligned wire.

So due to this numeric function node wire to index out terminal makes our code with full of wire bends which is not as per NI LabVIEW coding standards also.

So here, I want to draw attention for NI, to do some correction to specific numeric function nodes so we can make neat and clean code in LabVIEW.Wire cleanup.PNG

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(This is different and less controversional than  this related old idea)

 

Arrays of timestamps only contain legal values and can even be sorted. We can use "search 1D array" to find a matching timestamp just fine.

 

As with DBLs, there might be a very close array value that is a few LSBs off, but well within the error of the experiment so it is sufficient to find the closest value. We can always test later if that value is close enough for what we need or if "not found" would be a better result.

 

If we have a sorted input array, the easiest solution is "threshold 1D array" giving us a fractional index of a linearly interpolated value. For some unknown reason, timestamps are not allowed for the inputs, limiting the usefulness of the tool. One possible workaround is to convert to DBLs, with the disadvantage that quite a few bits are dropped (timestamp: 128 bits, DBL: 64bits).

 

Similarly, "Interpolate 1D array" also does not allow timestamp inputs. In both cases, there is an obvious and unique result that is IMHO in no way confusing or controversial.

 

 

 

IDEA Summary: "Threshold 1D Array" and "Interpolate 1D Array" should work with timestamps.

 

 

 

In LabVIEW we can dynamically run a VI in a few ways:

a) If it's not running Top Level VI or if the VI re-entrant with the Run method.

b) Already running as sub VI, with Call By Reference.

c) Make a new VI and drop the (running) sub VI on the diagram.

 

Downside of a) is we can't always make sub VI's re-entrant, but still want to call it by reference. Downside of b) is we need to know the strict type (connector pane). Downside of c) is we might end up with a lot of VI's just to function as Top Level VI for the sub VI's and it doesn't work in executables.

 

I like to propose a method, so we can dynamically call a sub VI without knowing the strict type.

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Using it, we enable LV to dynamically run sub VI's while setting\getting it's parameters by name.

 

For sub VI's (already running) this method will act as Top Level VI. For Top Level VI's it will fail unless it's idle.

 

 

 

(Please ignore my first confusing attempt)

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As soon as we have more complicated data structures (e.g. clusters of arrays), a large portion of the FP real estate is wasted taken up by borders, frames and trims, etc.

 

We need a palette full of "Amish" Smiley Wink controls, indicators, and containers that eliminate all that extra baggage. We have a few controls already in the classic palette, but this needs to be expanded to include all types of controls, including graphs, containers, etc.

 

A flat control consists of a plain square and some text (numerical value, string, ring, boolean text, etc). A flat container is a simple borderless container.  A flat graph is a simple line drawing that would look great on a b&w printer. A flat picture ring looks like the image alone.

 

They have a single area color and a single pixel outline, if both have the same color, the outline does not show. They can also be made transparent, of course. If we look at them in the control editor, there are only very few parts.

 

Now, why would that be useful?

 

Let's have a look a the data structure in the image. There is way too much fluff, distracting from the actual data. If we had flat objects, the same could look as the "table" below. Note that this is now the actual array of clusters, no formatting involved! It is fully operational, e.g. I can pick another enum value, uncheck the boolean, or enter data as in the cluster above.

 

Many years ago in LabVIEW 4, I actually made a borderless cluster container in the control editor and it looked fine, but it was difficult to use because it was nearly impossible the grab the right thing with the mouse at edit time.

 

The main problem of cours is that the object edges completely overlap, making targeted seletion with the mouse impossible. (For example the upper right corner pixel is the corner of an array, a cluster, another array, and an element at the same time.)

 

So what we need is a layer selection tool that allows us to pick what we want (similar to tools in graphics editing software). It could look similar to the context help shown in the picture with selection boxes for each line. Picking an object would show the relevant handles so we can intereact with the desired object. Another possibility would be to hover over the corner and hit a certain key to rotate trough all near elements until the right element is selected, showing it's resize handles. I am sure there are other solutions.

 

As a welcome side effect, redrawing such a FP is relatively cheap.

 

Message Edited by altenbach on 06-03-2009 09:20 AM
Message Edited by altenbach on 06-03-2009 09:20 AM

Classes? OOP? ... Huh?

Even if you don't (yet) work with LV classes, you may have noticed that they are starting to become increasingly widespread in the LV world. In fact, the excellent new Actor Framework that ships with LV2012 relies heavily on classes. LV classes are great but they can impact on your performance as a developer as your application becomes larger. I'd encourage everyone to click the magic KUDOS button for this idea, since classes will likely affect us all sooner or later!

 

 

The problem:

Most class-based architectures contain some degree of linking. One form of linking is inheritance where parent-child relationships are implicitly defined, and another form of linking arises from nesting libraries where classes (e.g.) are placed inside other libraries.

 

Unfortunately as the linking increases in a project, the IDE starts to become very sluggish! Those who have worked on mid-sized class-based applications know the symptoms:

  • Opening the "class properties" window takes 10 seconds or more
  • Renaming a class brings the editor to a standstill

For many projects these symptoms are a minor annoyance, but as your project grows they can become a serious impediment to productivity. Why should it take over 30 seconds to modify a class's inheritance?!

 

Obviously careful design can reduce linking to some extent, but that just postpones the pain. The reality is that all class-based projects start to suffer from these symptoms once they reach a "resonable" size.

 

 

The idea:

Improve the responsiveness of the LV editor when working with classes.

  • Highly repetitive tasks such as editing a class library's icon deserve a snappy response from the IDE, regardless of how many classes I have loaded!
  • Modifying inheritance is a fundamental operation. It should be quick and easy! (See this related idea)
  • Placing classes in libraries promotes good project organisation. It should *not* bring the editor to a grinding halt!

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Credits:

Others have written about this topic well before me. Here are a few relevant discussions:

Feel free to link more! Smiley Happy

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I don't know how many times I've added a case statement post-programming, but I do know that there isn't an easy way to make a tunnel the case selector.  Usually I delete the tunnel and then drag the case selector down and then rewire, there should be an easier way.  For loops and while loops have an easy way to index/unindex or replace with shift register, why can't a case statement be the same?

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Hello everyone,

 

I have a costumer which had the idea to popup a dialog when compiling code in the application builder when it recognizes that the projects contains more than 10000 gdi objects instead of just crashing. We don't know if this is possible to implement since gdi objects also could created dynamically during execution but I would help if this could be checked when compiling.

 

Regards 

David

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The goal of this idea is to make it easy for the LabVIEW ecosystem to create reusable libraries for LabVIEW that would be type independent. Let's think for a second dictionaries, also called as key-value stores. Dictionaries are data structures that allow storing and retrieving values with a specific key. To create a generic reusable strongly typed dictionary is currently impossible with the LabVIEW type system. One can create a dictionary that is type specific but then it's not reusable. Or one can create a reusable dictionary but then it's not strongly typed. Type Parameters and Parametrized Generic Types as explained in this idea would allow creating strongly typed dictionaries that are widely reusable across applications. Specifically type parameters and parametrized generic types would allow LabVIEW ecosystem to develop highly reusable strongly typed components to solve various common programming problems. This would allow National Instruments to put more focus on the core of the language as the LabVIEW ecosystem could solve much wider range of problems that preivously have required National Instruments to contribute.

 

Add a new control type Type Parameter to LabVIEW that augments the current Control, Type Def and Strict Type Def control types. The Type Parameter type would act like a regular Type Def control with one special and important distinction. You could wire anything to an input terminal expecting a specific Type Parameter type and the downstream type would adapt at compile time to the type wired to the type parameter input.

Type Parameter Definition

 

In a single VI type parameter could be used in multiple places but all instances of the type parameter would adapt to the same type.

 

Type Parameters

 

When a VI that uses Type Parameters in the front panel is used on a block diagram, the template VI is replaced by the compiler by a type specific instance that has adapted the type parameters to the type wired to the Type Parameter input. Notice below how in our VI the control and the indicator were of type Type Parameter with a default type of DBL and the instance got adapted to type U32 that was wired to the input.

Calling a VI with Type Parameter Inputs

The same type parameter could be used on multiple inputs of a VI.

Multiple Inputs of The Same Type Parameter

And all of the type parameters would adapt to the same type when the VI is being used.

Calling a VI with Multiple Type Parameter Inputs of the Same Type

Note that in the above example we chose the element of the array to be a specific type specified by a type parameter. However the arrays themselves could as well have been specified by a type parameter.

 

So far we have focused on VI boundary where type parameters adapt the whole VI to specific type or types if multiple different type parameters are being used in the connector pane of the VI. Type parameters can also be used in composite types (e.g. arrays, clusters, classes) and the downstream composite types would adapt to what is wired to the type parameter input.

 

Type Parameters with a Cluster

Note that x and y as instances of the same type parameter have to be of the same or compatible type.

Type Error With Type Parameters

 

Type parameters can also be used in class private data to create parameterized custom types. This is where type parameters become extremely powerful. Let's assume that we have a class 3D Vector.lvclass that has three instances of a "Data Element.ctl" Type Parameters. The default type of the Data Element is set to be DBL. The cluster private data has three instances of the Data Element, one for each of X, Y and Z.

Type Parameters in Class Private DAta

 

Now we could create a Create 3D Vector method VI for this class that allows us to construct type parametrized instance of the class type.

Creating a Type Parametrized Object

Now calling this Create 3D Vector.vi with string as the inputs for type parametrized inputs X, Y and Z will create an instance of class 3D Vector with compile time type 3D Vector[String].

Calling a VI that Creates a Type Parametrized Object

 

And this is where we now start seeing the superpowers of type parameters and parametrized types as well as generic type parameterized VIs that go along with them. Now we have a capability of creating custom VIs and custom types that both can adapt to different parameter types at usage time.

 

Let's get back to the question of dictionaries. We could easily construct a dictionary that allows the key type to be parametrized with one parameter and the value type to be parametrized with another parameter. For example we could use the dictionary with I32s as keys and Strings as values. Or we could use it with Strings as keys and File Paths as values. Constructor for such custom type would be trivial to create.

Type Parametrized Create Method for a Dictionary

 

Once we have constructed the dictionary we would naturally like to use it. We could now use method VIs of the Dictionary class to add and fetch elements from the dictionary. As an example Get Element By Key would look something like this in it's simplest form.

 

Get Element From Dictionary

 

 

Note that Dictionary In is type parametrized with two different type parameters Key Type and Value Type. In the class library there is a Type Parameter control Key Type.ctl and Value Type.ctl. Now type parameter Key Type.ctl is used both inside the private data of the class and on the fron panel as the Key input, the type of these two must be the same. The same is true for the Value Type element of private data and the Value indicator that both derive from Value Type.ctl type parameter. The has function is any function that can convert any LabVIEW types to some strings that we can use as keys for the variant attribute node. We are using variant attributes as the store implementation is this basic example.

 

Calling the Dictionary with integer as the type parameter and string as the value would look something like this.

 

Calling a Type Parametrized Dictionary

 

As you can see the 0 and empty string will define propagate as type parameter types for Key Type and Value Type in the dictionary wire. Now Add Element.vi would have to adapt to these elections for Key Type and Value Type the moment the Dictionary wire is connected. The Key input immediately change to type INT32 and the Value input to type String. Similar would be true if the wires would be connected in reverse order. Connecting University of Texas string to the Value input of Add Element and connecting number 1 of type INT32 to the Key input of the Add Element would immediately adapt the Dictionary in and Dictionary out inputs to be of type Dictionary[Key Type = INT32, Value Type = String]. A type error would occur if Dictionary in would be of different type.

 

Type Parametrized Generic Types are an extremely powerful concept to incldue in a language and this idea describes a feasible way to implement them in a visual dataflow model of LabVIEW. This is and has been for maybe ten years my absolute #1 feature I have wanted to see in LabVIEW. I think the time is right for me to officially make this request. Ideally Type Parameters can be bounded but that's a topic for a whole other idea post.

Hi,

 

Sometimes we have to check the execution of just a part of a long VI and I use to do is:

- set a breakpoint just before the part,

- run the VI,

- wait for the breakpoint,

- set highlight

- and follow the execution.

 

I believe that would be nice to set the highlight just like breakpoint clicking over the wire and, when the execution reaches it, show the execution.

 

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Idea:

Double-click to a wire + holding <ctrl> or <alt> will call the wire-cleanup tool for this particular line => much faster than via context menu

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Data Type Representation Pallette

 

Can the the options on the data type Representation pallette be changed from grey to match the color of the numerical icons and terminals?

 

Thank You!

Melissa McQueen

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