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The "Convert Instance VI to Standard VI" right-click option on malleable VIs made me think if this technology could be used for debugging otherwise inlined VIs (and therefore also malleable VIs)?

 

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VIs are obviously inlined without their block diagrams, so my suggestion would require two changes:

 

1) 'Allow debugging' must be settable in combination with inlining in VI Properties >> Execution.

2) LabVIEW IDE and RTE would have to call inlined VIs in different ways, depending on this setting. Suggestion follows:

 

Running in the IDE

The IDE would now create a temporary unique instance for each running inlined subVI that has debugging enabled. This would allow us to double-click on an "inlined" subVI while it's running, and have that temporary instance open up ready for probing. Settings like the 'SubVI Node Setup' dialog would now also be available for inlined VIs, if they have 'Allow debugging' on. Set 'Allow debugging' off and inlined VIs will behave as today (so no change for any existing code).

 

Running in the RTE

Executables are built with 'Enable debugging' either on or off (Advanced page of the Application Builder). I suggest that Application Builder builds in unique instances in place of debug-enabled inlined VIs when 'Enable debugging' is on, and bakes in ordinary inlined code when 'Enable debugging' is off. This would allow us to debug into inlined (and thus also malleable) VIs inside executables with remote debugging. Loose VIs called with the RTE would have had their inlined callees compiled with either debug capability or not, depending on their 'Allow debugging' setting as discussed above in "Running in the IDE".

 

What do you think - would it be nice to be able to debug inlined VIs?

  • Execution & Performance

So when it comes to using a queue, there is a somewhat common design pattern used by NI examples, which makes a producer consumer loop, where the consumer uses a dequeue function with a timeout of -1.  This means the function will wait forever until an event comes in.  But a neat feature of this function is it also returns when the queue reference becomes invalid, which can happen if the queue reference is closed, or if the VI that created that reference stops running.

 

This idea is to have similar functionality when it comes to user events.  I have a common design pattern with a publisher subscriber design where a user event is created and multiple loops register for it.  If for some reason the main VI stops, that reference becomes invalid but my other asynchronous loops will continue running.  In the past I've added a timeout case, where I check to see if the user event is still valid once every 5 seconds or so, and if it isn't then I go through my shutdown process.

 

What I am thinking is that there could be another event to register for, which gets generated when that user event which is registered for, becomes invalid so that polling for the validity of the user event isn't necessary.

 

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  • Execution & Performance

The recently introduced Raspberry Pi is a 32 bit ARM based microcontroller board that is very popular. It would be great if we could programme it in LabVIEW. This product could leverage off the already available LabVIEW Embedded for ARM and the LabVIEW Microcontroller SDK (or other methods of getting LabVIEW to run on it).

 

The Raspberry Pi is a $35 (with Ethernet) credit card sized computer that is open hardware. The ARM chip is an Atmel ARM11 running at 700 MHz resulting in 875 MIPS of performance. By way of comparison, the current LabVIEW Embedded for ARM Tier 1 (out-of-the-box experience) boards have only 60 MIPS of processing power. So, about 15 times the processing power!

 

Wouldn’t it be great to programme the Raspberry Pi in LabVIEW?

This idea came to me from Darren's Nugget 2-23-2018 on Data Agnostic Probes I thought it might be useful to write a Probe.vim or specifically, a data type malleable probe to gain the ability to have some access to the data itself in a general smart probe and maintain the ability to display the data in a type specific manner.

 

One example would be a "Data History Probe" that displays the history values of any data type.  I'm sure there are other good uses.

I'm working on a high-performance application where every bit of time counts.

 

LabVIEW's parallel execution helps but we are having to write individual functions in C so we can try out the AVX instructions available on modern processors.

 

LabVIEW recently used SSE2 so I guess the compiler supports this (well, LLVM certainly does). It would be good to have an advanced option to enable more recent updates (AVX+) to avoid going to C!

  • Execution & Performance

Since a few days I'm struggling to debug a packaged library. The project library works when called with development system. If called by the corresponding executable I’m only getting error 1498 and there is no way (to my knowledge) to obtain more/usefull information. Even inside the LVInternalReports folder no information is stored. REALLY useful as well would be the bugfix of CARS #684847 which is reported since version 2016, which prevents to show the block diagram of nested PPL if called from the executable…

So please give a more convenient way to debug packed libraries and fix the mentioned CARS.

I envision a structure much like a case structure, in which you select your event for evaluating the code inside the structure and the values become constants at the node. The interior would allow code that may normally not be able to run on the host for example, on fpga it might allow the use of doubles and strings and resized arrays, because it isn't actually going to be executed on the host just evaluated and stored as a constant. This would allow for more configuration for fpga and even have some benefits at the traditional desktop environment. For example you could set the structure to evaluate on app build and produce a string constant that is the build date so the build date could be shown on UI to help distinguish builds. 

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Typical question in development process: "How quickly does my code execute? What runs faster... Code A or Code B?" So, if you're like me, you throw in a quick sequence that looks like this:

 

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AHHH! What a mess! It's so hard to fit it in, with FP real estate so packed these days!

 

We need this:

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 Just like my other idea, and for simplicity's sake NI, I would be PERFECTLY happy even if you had to set up the probes during edit mode, and were not able to "probe" while running.

 

 As a bonus, this idea may be extrapolated into n timing probes, where you can find delta t between any two of the probes.

There are times when I leave a VI with modal properties open and then I run the main application that also calls this VI if opened in the development environment. This locks all running windows due to the modal VI. I propose a button in the taskbar that aborts all running VIs OR perhaps a list is opened on right-click of all running VIs Smiley Happy

 

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  • Execution & Performance

The ability to define anonymous methods to be called multiple times within a block diagram.Capture.PNG

 

 

  • Execution & Performance

Hello,

 

As shown in below image we can see that, if I index numeric array and wire it with any of the node from numeric function it gives un-aligned wire whereas as same process if I use Boolean function at output of index it gives well aligned wire.

So due to this numeric function node wire to index out terminal makes our code with full of wire bends which is not as per NI LabVIEW coding standards also.

So here, I want to draw attention for NI, to do some correction to specific numeric function nodes so we can make neat and clean code in LabVIEW.Wire cleanup.PNG

  • Execution & Performance

Currently there are no officially supported frameworks for Unit Testing in LabVIEW for Linux.

 

A lack of a unit testing framework on LabVIEW for Linux reduces LabVIEW's usability in widely-recognized and industry standard software engineering practices.

 

A Unit Test Framework created by NI already exists, as well as a 3rd-party tool for free, VI Tester by JKI. However, neither of these are available for desktop Linux (or Macintosh).

 

NI LabVIEW Unit Test Framework Toolkit

http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/209043

 

VI Tester - JKI

https://github.com/JKISoftware/JKI-VI-Tester/wiki 

As soon as we have more complicated data structures (e.g. clusters of arrays), a large portion of the FP real estate is wasted taken up by borders, frames and trims, etc.

 

We need a palette full of "Amish" Smiley Wink controls, indicators, and containers that eliminate all that extra baggage. We have a few controls already in the classic palette, but this needs to be expanded to include all types of controls, including graphs, containers, etc.

 

A flat control consists of a plain square and some text (numerical value, string, ring, boolean text, etc). A flat container is a simple borderless container.  A flat graph is a simple line drawing that would look great on a b&w printer. A flat picture ring looks like the image alone.

 

They have a single area color and a single pixel outline, if both have the same color, the outline does not show. They can also be made transparent, of course. If we look at them in the control editor, there are only very few parts.

 

Now, why would that be useful?

 

Let's have a look a the data structure in the image. There is way too much fluff, distracting from the actual data. If we had flat objects, the same could look as the "table" below. Note that this is now the actual array of clusters, no formatting involved! It is fully operational, e.g. I can pick another enum value, uncheck the boolean, or enter data as in the cluster above.

 

Many years ago in LabVIEW 4, I actually made a borderless cluster container in the control editor and it looked fine, but it was difficult to use because it was nearly impossible the grab the right thing with the mouse at edit time.

 

The main problem of cours is that the object edges completely overlap, making targeted seletion with the mouse impossible. (For example the upper right corner pixel is the corner of an array, a cluster, another array, and an element at the same time.)

 

So what we need is a layer selection tool that allows us to pick what we want (similar to tools in graphics editing software). It could look similar to the context help shown in the picture with selection boxes for each line. Picking an object would show the relevant handles so we can intereact with the desired object. Another possibility would be to hover over the corner and hit a certain key to rotate trough all near elements until the right element is selected, showing it's resize handles. I am sure there are other solutions.

 

As a welcome side effect, redrawing such a FP is relatively cheap.

 

Message Edited by altenbach on 06-03-2009 09:20 AM
Message Edited by altenbach on 06-03-2009 09:20 AM

When creating a LabVIEW installer, in the Source File Settings dialog, I might change the attributes of several files in the same way.  For example, I might make many files read-only and/or hidden.  Currently, I have to click on each file and change its attributes.  I would like to be able to choose multiple files (either by highlight, control-click, etc.) and change their attributes at the same time to the same setting.

 

 

Pulido Technologies LLC

  • Execution & Performance

(This is different and less controversional than  this related old idea)

 

Arrays of timestamps only contain legal values and can even be sorted. We can use "search 1D array" to find a matching timestamp just fine.

 

As with DBLs, there might be a very close array value that is a few LSBs off, but well within the error of the experiment so it is sufficient to find the closest value. We can always test later if that value is close enough for what we need or if "not found" would be a better result.

 

If we have a sorted input array, the easiest solution is "threshold 1D array" giving us a fractional index of a linearly interpolated value. For some unknown reason, timestamps are not allowed for the inputs, limiting the usefulness of the tool. One possible workaround is to convert to DBLs, with the disadvantage that quite a few bits are dropped (timestamp: 128 bits, DBL: 64bits).

 

Similarly, "Interpolate 1D array" also does not allow timestamp inputs. In both cases, there is an obvious and unique result that is IMHO in no way confusing or controversial.

 

 

 

IDEA Summary: "Threshold 1D Array" and "Interpolate 1D Array" should work with timestamps.

 

 

 

The LabVIEW Task Manager is an outstanding tool for debugging LabVIEW Applications. It should be included in LabVIEW in my opinion.

 

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I don't know how many times I've added a case statement post-programming, but I do know that there isn't an easy way to make a tunnel the case selector.  Usually I delete the tunnel and then drag the case selector down and then rewire, there should be an easier way.  For loops and while loops have an easy way to index/unindex or replace with shift register, why can't a case statement be the same?

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  • Execution & Performance

Classes? OOP? ... Huh?

Even if you don't (yet) work with LV classes, you may have noticed that they are starting to become increasingly widespread in the LV world. In fact, the excellent new Actor Framework that ships with LV2012 relies heavily on classes. LV classes are great but they can impact on your performance as a developer as your application becomes larger. I'd encourage everyone to click the magic KUDOS button for this idea, since classes will likely affect us all sooner or later!

 

 

The problem:

Most class-based architectures contain some degree of linking. One form of linking is inheritance where parent-child relationships are implicitly defined, and another form of linking arises from nesting libraries where classes (e.g.) are placed inside other libraries.

 

Unfortunately as the linking increases in a project, the IDE starts to become very sluggish! Those who have worked on mid-sized class-based applications know the symptoms:

  • Opening the "class properties" window takes 10 seconds or more
  • Renaming a class brings the editor to a standstill

For many projects these symptoms are a minor annoyance, but as your project grows they can become a serious impediment to productivity. Why should it take over 30 seconds to modify a class's inheritance?!

 

Obviously careful design can reduce linking to some extent, but that just postpones the pain. The reality is that all class-based projects start to suffer from these symptoms once they reach a "resonable" size.

 

 

The idea:

Improve the responsiveness of the LV editor when working with classes.

  • Highly repetitive tasks such as editing a class library's icon deserve a snappy response from the IDE, regardless of how many classes I have loaded!
  • Modifying inheritance is a fundamental operation. It should be quick and easy! (See this related idea)
  • Placing classes in libraries promotes good project organisation. It should *not* bring the editor to a grinding halt!

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Credits:

Others have written about this topic well before me. Here are a few relevant discussions:

Feel free to link more! Smiley Happy

  • Execution & Performance

Hi,

 

Sometimes we have to check the execution of just a part of a long VI and I use to do is:

- set a breakpoint just before the part,

- run the VI,

- wait for the breakpoint,

- set highlight

- and follow the execution.

 

I believe that would be nice to set the highlight just like breakpoint clicking over the wire and, when the execution reaches it, show the execution.

 

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Problem

When creating an installer for my built LabVIEW application, I really dislike having to choose between including the RTE installer (and having a 100+ MB installer for my application) or not including it (and requiring my users to download and install the RTE as a separate step).  Typically, I'll build two installers at the same time (with roughly duplicate build settings): a full installer w/ RTE and a light installer w/out the RTE.

 

Proposed Solution

What would be much nicer would be if my app's installer were able to download and install the RTE, if necesary.  Actually, this is common practice, these days, for users to download a small installer that then downloads larger installer files behind the scenes.