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[Laura F.]

Hi All,

I have been taking note of all the tagging suggestions you've been offering and I will bundle them up and send them to Lithium. 

tst- you're right, I don't have any additional control over the tagging options other than what you can find in the My Profile Tagging tab.  I set the defaults for all these values for the community, and then each user can keep those defaults or set them for themselves.  By default, the forum search searches tags.  If you do an Advanced Search, you can toggle this on or off.  I have found this very useful.

As for performance changes with tagging, we are keeping a close watch on the monitoring software, but so far any increase in page load time is lost in the noise. 

Thanks!
Laura

[MichaelAivaliotis]

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@smercurio_fc wrote:
I tested out turning off tagging, and found that the display of messages of a thread actually sped up! I was noticing an unusually high frequency of pauses when displaying the messages in a thread soon after tagging was enabled on the boards. After reading Laura's comment about turning off tags, I decided to try it, and sure enough, the frequency of pauses went down to the "normal" state of just periodic overall "hangs" of the forum boards.

Note that I'm not drawing any conclusions or making any recommendations - it's just an observation.

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Not knowing anything about how tagging works, there are certain rules that are universal. Extra data requires extra queries from the database. In order to display the tags there is probably some extra SQL.

[smercurio_fc]

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Michael Aivaliotis said:

Not knowing anything about how tagging works, there are certain rules that are universal. Extra data requires extra queries from the database. In order to display the tags there is probably some extra SQL

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Well, yes, that's obvious, and having worked with databases for some time, I'm well aware of this. My point was that for others who are experiencing slow-downs with the boards, they can try turning off tagging, especially if they're not using them. I certainly saw an improvement. Whether or not it was due to "less queries", or something else, I can't say.

[Ben]

Smercurio is correct about the Tags taking more time.

There is a bug(s) in the tag entry field when postioned to the left.

Type in more tags than fit and things get funny in that  you can not use arrow keys to go back and edit tags.

Next,

If you paste in a long text field and close without adding,

THEN

Go to edit...

The left hand field size goes goofy.

I have been experimenting with cross linking and it seems to working out.

Comments?

Ben

Ben

[Ben]

Attached (as LV 8.2) is a quick hack that helps with tagging.

Its a hack!

Cut-n-paste all tags from a cloud and paste into top control.

Run... it will show you hierarchy of the tags.

Clcik on tag it will genrate string to paste in as tag.

Its  hack but it has helped me with keeping my tags and cross-linking straight.

Ben

Message Edited by Ben on 12-24-2007 09:05 PM

[Ben]

I have been playing with the tags and tagging. I am posting the following just to share what I have found and the thought behind all of those tags.

I have been attempting to catagorize (ca- TAG-orize) the tags as I ad them. This has developed into a type "outine of LabVIEW".

The catagorical tags are hierarchial example " LabVIEW_DesignPatterns_Producer-Consumer" where each "level' is distinguished by an "under-score". All other use of the "under-score" is not allowed. Camel-case or hyphens are used to as required to keep tags readable. At the same time I also include the truncated tags "LabVIEW" and  "LabVIEW_DesignPatterns". Inititally this seemed t be over-kill but as the outline has bee fleshing-out, the structure is strating to work.

I have been using the afore posted utility to help. It has saved me a lot of time and helped me keep my ca-TAG-ories organized.

Like I said, just sharing my thoughts!

Ben

[Laura F.]

Hi Ben,

You certainly have been hard at work applying tags!  You currently make up about 50% of all tags applied Wow!

I think the cross-linking looks great and am interested to hear what others think as well.

Thanks,
Laura

[Laura F.]

Hi Ben,

I can reproduce this bug:

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@Ben wrote:

There is a bug(s) in the tag entry field when postioned to the left.

Type in more tags than fit and things get funny in that  you can not use arrow keys to go back and edit tags.

But not this one:

Next,

If you paste in a long text field and close without adding,

THEN

Go to edit...

The left hand field size goes goofy.

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Do you click Cancel after pasting the long text into the tag field? Then edit the message?

Thanks,
Laura

[Ben]

To recreate bug 2

Click add tag

Type in string that is very long (do not commit tag, don't clear text)

Click cancel

Clcik add Tag

there you go

I am glad that someone other than myself can see the structure of the tags.

If we adhere to some basic standards, the caTAGorized tags can embody our agregate knowledge.

Another point I'd like to share...

If you find yourself posting a link to another thread, concider caTAGorizing and tagging the prime post in the target thread. This will

1) let future questioners "Browse our Brains" (BoB)

2) Make it easier for us to find the appropriate "Golden Thread" (Who says AI is dead)

3) Improve the quality of searches on the forums

On the last point "improve search". I was attempting to demonstrate to my wife what I can now do with the tags. She chose a random phrase "array performance" and I showed her how starting with LabVIEW would let her browse to a set of postings. I then attempted to contrast that experience with search on those same two words. Well the serach engine was able to leverage from the tags and the top hit in the search was one of my tagged threads BECAUSE of the tags!

Laura,

I have some changes requests!

A)

Instead on varying the font size with the post count, could the font size be based on the ranking instead? With the current scheme, tags with high counts can push all others into the fog. I would prefer the font vary with their relative postion in a list sorted by number of occurneces.

EG

I click on a tag and see it related tags "LabVIEW" has 75 occurneces and maybe "LabVIEW_Array" has 10 occurences. Lets also assume the other tags have less occurences. I still want to see "LabVIEW" in the biggest font, but rather than make the font of "LabVIEW_Array" 1/7th the size of "LabVIEW" I would like it to be just one notch down.

B)

When I click on the "View All" button I can view all of my tags for that post BUT I have no way to get back to the post!

C)

Can you add a "View All" button to all community tags? If someone else has picked-out good tags, I'd like to concider duplicating them if I agree.

D)

I'd like to be able to just navigate through the clouds. What I mean is if I click on a tag in a cloud, I'd like to go to its cloud directly.

E) When adding a tag, I'd like to have ready access to all of my existing tags. The list will allow me to quickly choose a set of caTAGorical tags while also avoiding typos. The utility I posted earlier is a hack to fill that gap.

F) Can you bump the max size of my tag cloud? 2000 would be good for now. I now have to cut and paste from two screens to get all of my tags into by hack!

Ben

"A Happy Tagger"

Message Edited by Ben on 12-29-2007 09:22 AM

Message Edited by Ben on 12-29-2007 09:24 AM

[Ben]

As a public service to the Taggers, here is an updated "Hack" with my tags saved as the default. This lets you use all of my caTAGorical tags without having to duplicate them yourselves.

Notes:

The VI is no elegeant bu it does work.

The useage is as follows;

A) The string field at the top lets you paste in a list of tags. These I just cut-n-pasted from my tag cloud. Make sure the count are not showing before you copy the tags. When the VI is started the list of tags is parsed first by looking for space delimters to ID each tag. Then each tag is parsed for under-scores which indicate caTAGorical tags. The pasred list is then placed in the table (see D).

B) The string indicator will hold the collection of tags you build up by selecting them from the table (see D). Each time you click on a tag, it is added to this list. The "Reset" button at teh bottom of the screen will clear "B".

C) The text control "C" is just a scratch pad I use to add new tags. I'll usisally get a list together using "D" and "B" and then copy everything from "B" to "C" before fine tuning my tag list. I can then cut-n-paste everything from "C" when ready to add the tags.

D) "D" is a table that tracks were you clicked and assembles tags based on the click. Example: If I clcik on the word "Path", the tags "LabVIEW" "LabVIEW_EXE" "LabVIEW_EXE_Path" are added to "B".

The "Copy to clip" button does not do anything yet. I had planned on using this to copy "C" to the Clip-board but have not coded it yet.

"Reset clears "B".

"Stop" stops the VI. I have to stop the VI and restart it to add new tags.

I hope someone finds this code useful. If you make it better, plese post the update.

Ben

PS Ask Lithium how many other comunities do they support that write their own code to make up for the short-comings of the forums (nudge-nudge-wink-wink))

Message Edited by Ben on 12-29-2007 09:58 AM