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"Golden" units

I wish to rant.

 

It is my strongly-held opinion that using "Golden" units is a blatant admission that we don't know what we're measuring and, therefore, can't calibrate our equipment back to a NIST certified instrument (or a group thereof).  The fall-back tactic in these cases seems to be to select a "Golden" unit from a pool of working units, slap a calibration sticker on it, run it through the test equipment periodically and compare its performance with the original data.  If it continues to pass, the equipment is deemed to still be "in calibration".  I hate this.

 

I believe that the community can offer some insight that will soften my position and help me to feel better about the "engineering" involved in this small part of my world.  Please help me by offering some comments that validate this approach to production measurement.

 

Thanks.  I feel better for getting that off of my chest.

Jim
You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. ~ Alice
For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur? Eccl. 8:7

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Jim,

 

I have certainly worked in places where the quality of the measurement was less important to the powers in charge than the results.

 

I could see an argument for using an known-good unit as a quick operational check to make sure the test apparatus had not been damaged, particularly if a defective DUT could propagate damage to the tester. Calibration verification: No.

 

Topic worth discussing.

 

Lynn

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@johnsold wrote:

 

[...] I could see an argument for using an known-good unit as a quick operational check to make sure the test apparatus had not been damaged,


Sure, we all have a drawer full of parts to make quick sanity-checks.  Known bad parts are very useful, too.  Otherwise we get accused of writing code like this:

 

Example_VI_BD.png


 [...] particularly if a defective DUT could propagate damage to the tester.

Test technician: "Hey, the test adapter is smoking!  It must be bad.  Let's test this part on the other adapter.  Hey!  This one smoked, too.  What are the odds of both adapters going bad at the same time."

... later that morning

Test engineer: "groan..." 

 

Jim
You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. ~ Alice
For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur? Eccl. 8:7

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Jim:

I have developed several custom ATE's that incorporate COTS rack and stack equipment in conjuction with custom equipment developed in-house.

I agree that the COTS equipment should be sent for routine NIST traceable calibration per the manufacturer's schedule.

 

However, as an example, one test system measured the electrical, mechanical and optical performance of a brushless motor spinning an 8 faceted polygonal mirror at 500rps.

We designed a custom motor driver, laser beam shaping optics, and quadcell and photodiode detector circuits for the production test rig.

 

They only way to bechmark overall test system operation and performance as a whole was to use a golden master motor/mirror assembly. It is not like we could send the whole rig out externally to be certified. The masters were sent to the customer for testing in the final assembly to verify that they complied to their specifications too and then returned to us.

 

The masters were then ran though at a given period to verify the test rig operation and also used if production experienced several unit failures in row. Depending on the outcome of the master test, it could tell us if there was an issue with the motor driver, optics/beam alignment, the detectors and their circuitry, or the COTS equipment used.

 

My 2 cents.

 

PS- Regarding multiple smoking test rigs- yes, I have groaned many a time 😞

 

-AK2DM

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What happens if the master gets damaged?

Jim
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For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur? Eccl. 8:7

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I use "golden" units to satisfy manufacturing that the equipment is working right.

 

Calibration stickers don't mean much to them.

When we've got the line running rework/refurbished units, they'll occasionally get a string of failures in a row... is there something wrong with the equipment (Bent pin?  Broken wire somewhere?) or is it actually doing what its supposed to do?

 

A "gold" unit is a good way to keep them happy and quickly prove that the equipment is working and doing what it should. 

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I worked years ago for a cal house that depended upon standards that were calibrated by the mfgr. As part of applying for A2LA accreditation, we had to provide traceability and uncertainty for many of our measurements that were made by an RLC meter.

 

We used four standards provided by the mfgr to cal the RLC meter. These were sent to them each year for cal. How did they cal these?

 

The answer from the mfgr was that they compared our 4 resistor set against three sets of standards they owned, which were in turn compared to a NIST traceable DC resistance standard. But all of RLC measurements were AC, and the 4 resistors were not "standard" values that NIST could not calibrate. Needless to say I was unhappy in trying to document the traceability, so our metrologist was responsible for documenting the calibration. We were lucky that the original designer of the meter was local and still available to provide design and operational expertise of the Digibridge.

 

You can read the history of it here:

 

http://www.ietlabs.com/notes/digibridge

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/OntheCalibrationofDigibridgesandtheVerificationHPH.pdf

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/OntheFrequencyResponseofStandardResistorsHPH8-94.pdf

 

A 'gold unit' with sufficiently documented operational details and an scheduled check against a base traceable value (RLC, time, phys property) may be the only way to validate your system.

 

Henry P. Hall was the designer of the Didgibridge. He is a VERY SMART as well as practical man.

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/12-Henry%20Hall%20Digibridge%20Patent-Digibridge.pdf

 

"Gold" only has value if you believe it does. Smiley Happy

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@SnowMule wrote:

I use "golden" units to satisfy manufacturing that the equipment is working right. That's fine.  I also use them the other way around to show manufacturing that the ATE is fine and their units really are bad.

 

Calibration stickers don't mean much to them. ...until it expires and QA slaps a huge "DO NOT USE" sticker on their equipment.

When we've got the line running rework/refurbished units, they'll occasionally get a string of failures in a row... is there something wrong with the equipment (Bent pin?  Broken wire somewhere?) or is it actually doing what its supposed to do?

 

A "gold" unit is a good way to keep them happy and quickly prove that the equipment is working and doing what it should. The proper calibration keeps the Quality, Design, Manufacturing and Test engineers happy.  It's a part of V&V that doesn't involve any hand-waving.


 
 


@Phillip Brooks wrote:

I worked years ago for a cal house that depended upon standards that were calibrated by the mfgr. As part of applying for A2LA accreditation, we had to provide traceability and uncertainty for many of our measurements that were made by an RLC meter.

 

We used four standards provided by the mfgr to cal the RLC meter. These were sent to them each year for cal. How did they cal these?

 

The answer from the mfgr was that they compared our 4 resistor set against three sets of standards they owned, which were in turn compared to a NIST traceable DC resistance standard. But all of RLC measurements were AC, and the 4 resistors were not "standard" values that NIST could not calibrate. Needless to say I was unhappy in trying to document the traceability, so our metrologist was responsible for documenting the calibration. We were lucky that the original designer of the meter was local and still available to provide design and operational expertise of the Digibridge.  But, with his assistance you were able to validate your process? 

 

You can read the history of it here:

 

http://www.ietlabs.com/notes/digibridge

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/OntheCalibrationofDigibridgesandtheVerificationHPH.pdf

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/OntheFrequencyResponseofStandardResistorsHPH8-94.pdf

 

A 'gold unit' with sufficiently documented operational details and an scheduled check against a base traceable value (RLC, time, phys property) may be the only way to validate your system. Perhaps I wasn't clear; I meant an uncalibrated gold unit.  It's gold just because we say it is, not because we can compare its value with anything traceable.  Good point, though.

 

Henry P. Hall was the designer of the Didgibridge. He is a VERY SMART as well as practical man.

http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/application_notes/12-Henry%20Hall%20Digibridge%20Patent-Digibridge.pdf

 

"Gold" A US Federal Reserve Note only has value if you believe it does. Smiley Happy FTFY


 

Jim
You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. ~ Alice
For he does not know what will happen; So who can tell him when it will occur? Eccl. 8:7

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I don't have much to add but the discusion reminds of something I was told while going to school (one foot in Physics the other in engineering).

 

"Physcist do exotic test on junk while engineers do simple test on gems." (paraphrased from a failing memory)

 

The two groups are driven by different ends with one trying to establish the truth regardless of profit while the other is driven to sell regardless of the quality (fell free to fix that idea as you read it).

 

My customers that do certification testing are all about traceablility to the extenet they start and end the day doing wet chemistry to enusre traceability. THe production types are more than happy to "black-box" the whole thing being "good enough". Each makes sense to me in their context. When I don a maks with a sticker saying it is certified to withstand tear gas up X for a period of Y I really depend on those numbers to be correct otherwise I am going to end very wrong.

 

On the other hand if the reciever I hammer out for an AK-47 fits all of the guns I have access too but are out of spec when I take a micrometer to it, is really worthless?

 

On a related note that affects us all, (those in the netwrok arena please chime in!) I wonder how often the hardware layer of comm gear is really verified in the stuff we purchase today. Most of the testing I have seen implemented for such amounts to "Does pass the test? OK".

 

Ben

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Ben wrote:

On a related note that affects us all, (those in the netwrok arena please chime in!) I wonder how often the hardware layer of comm gear is really verified in the stuff we purchase today. Most of the testing I have seen implemented for such amounts to "Does pass the test? OK".

 

Ben


While it doesn't really answer your question you can take a tour of the X-Lab

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