Passing a boolean between loops

[David_NMRSA]

crossrulz - my comment may certainly have been heavy handed, and I do apologise for letting it out. There have been a number of curt responses I have had to read today that do nothing more than say, "you're not giving me the problem properly, go learn LabVIEW". I find that this doesn't help anybody, particularly in a forum setting that is intended to help people with a range of experience. I had done well to ignore those comments, but yours was just that proverbial straw. Again, I apologise.

In regards to helping people - 'meh' to their reasons. Sometimes you are under the pump, poorly or undertrained, and you need to get past something that seems so trivial and yet out of reach. I think a forum such as this is great in making things become unstuck and assist the individual and others to improve their learning.

In regards to the NI Knights reference - yeah, I know you aren't. The reference wasn't directed at you. Most of the silly posts today were from such.

[altenbach]

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@David_NMRSA wrote:

One day, I too hope to be an NI Knight, so that I may go forth and strike down the inexperienced.

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Are you quoting the bible, pulp fiction, or are you just trying to sound witty ?:o

It might come as a surprise to your perspective of the world, but being a knight of NI does not give you a license to strike down anyone (whatever that means). We are not James Bond. 😄

Similarly, criticizing a helpful and appropriate post by a respected member of the community just gives us a better idea which posts we should ignore and which new members deserve our help.

This is a technical forum. If you don't like a post, just do give it kudos. Nobody likes to contribute to a thread that deteriorates into an offtopic flame war.

Thanks!

[Hawkme]

True I am a student, but in no way is this cheating as none of my classes have anything to do with labview, in fact my teacher hadn't heard of it. I'm learning Java in school actually, not a huge fan . This is a completely separate endeavor that no teacher will ever see and it will never ever get a grade. Labview is just a language I'm trying to learn and do stuff with. It's a powerful tool for engineers, maybe more so that any other language, if you can use it, and that's all I'm trying to do is learn it and use it. I have no training its been learn as I go, so when I get stuck I like to ask the experts. I understand it, I know what I'm doing, and I can write decently complex code and make labview do cool stuff, but there are a lot of situations where I still get confused.

[aputman]

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@Hawkme wrote:

True I am a student, but in no way is this cheating as none of my classes have anything to do with labview, in fact my teacher hadn't heard of it. I'm learning Java in school actually, not a huge fan . This is a completely separate endeavor that no teacher will ever see and it will never ever get a grade. Labview is just a language I'm trying to learn and do stuff with. It's a powerful tool for engineers, maybe more so that any other language, if you can use it, and that's all I'm trying to do is learn it and use it. I have no training its been learn as I go, so when I get stuck I like to ask the experts. I understand it, I know what I'm doing, and I can write decently complex code and make labview do cool stuff, but there are a lot of situations where I still get confused.

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Calling BS on that response.  You can't write decently complex code and not know how to use a case structure or a for loop. 

[David_NMRSA]

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@aputman wrote:

Calling BS on that response.  You can't write decently complex code and not know how to use a case structure or a for loop. 

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This is true, in LabVIEW. If you are using another language you might call it something else and use entirely different calling and managing algorithms. Moving from one language to another requires the initial understanding in what a For loop or Case structure (or 'statement') is; it simply becomes a matter in how to write it up and use in the new language - filling in the blanks, as it where.

In the past I have seen posts from students urgently requiring a solution for an apparent easy problem, whilst stating it is for an assignment or some such. In those particular situations most respondents will provide general advice and direction to an example, or even specific 'look here' comments. After a while this type of thing become obvious but regardless, I/we are not the teachers or the examiners or even the regulators of the individuals grading system. We are here to simply share information and improve the overall experience and exposure of LabVIEW. I believe that is more important that the moral high ground of 'good student' vs 'bad student'.

[natasftw]

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@David_NMRSA wrote:

In the past I have seen posts from students urgently requiring a solution for an apparent easy problem, whilst stating it is for an assignment or some such. In those particular situations most respondents will provide general advice and direction to an example, or even specific 'look here' comments. After a while this type of thing become obvious but regardless, I/we are not the teachers or the examiners or even the regulators of the individuals grading system. We are here to simply share information and improve the overall experience and exposure of LabVIEW. I believe that is more important that the moral high ground of 'good student' vs 'bad student'.

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Out of all the disciplines, engineering is the one I feel most strongly against cheating.  Any engineer should know the liability of an unqualified engineer.  We should all know how detrimental it is to have an unqualified engineer on our team.  It isn't a discussino of a more high ground.  It's a matter of not wanting to work with someone that can't handle tasks that should be easy to any engineer.  It's not helping anyone, including the student, to do their work for them.

I'm not going to go through this thread and read the bickering nor am I going to look for any other posts you might have been upset by that led to you feeling the need to apologize to crossrulz.  But, I will share my experience here.  Users that come showing they're making effort are given an extraordinary amount of help.  Those that sound like they're not making an attempt are given basic tutorials.  The community is most likely to help people that are able to take the information and make use of it.  Those that cannot, either out of understanding or laziness, are mostly left hanging.  The community polices itself.  Experienced members have been helping dictate this self policing for a number of years and their efforts have essentially built the community. 

You're new and I know you mean well.  But, that doesn't mean you're doing something that is more meaningful or more helpful than what others are doing.  Providing code to "solve" problems in a poor format in a way the original user doesn't understand may work as a bandaid.  But, it's not really giving them anything of value.  They cannot expand on that code.  It lets them think that style is solid.  Often, it's better to lead them towards resources and let them figure things out.  If you disagree with the way someone is handling the situation, you're free to offer help in your way.  Moving the attention away from the problem and turning things into an argument certainly won't help anyone.

[David_NMRSA]

hey nat - 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I think it's good to get a proper understanding out there. I haven't really looked but is there a section these kind of things are discussed. I don't like the idea of holding up a thread for this purpose - really wasn't my intention! But everyone has an opinion and needs to share it, I suppose. (apology was given, should have ended the discussion about it...)

To be fair, i'm not new and yes, I do mean well. I'm a programmer, engineer, father and teacher (not my profession). With these I am willing to share my experience and knowledge, freely given. Do with it as you will and let others take as they would - it's a public forum that many will visit, see, and determine appropriate. It would be hard to control where that information goes but if more is needed, there is online training (of course).

I have noticed that some of the problems presented are only snippets of the original, or is something thrown together to only highlight an issue. I believe assistance in these areas - as it is given - is only something that the forum can really excel at (and limit the workload of some of these overworked application engineers!).

From you have written I get the impression that you think my coding or solutions are in a poor format, possibly bad practice. I am open to suggestions or improvements, should it help and assist the original post. We can all learn something new.

Anyway, thanks to all.

[natasftw]

http://forums.ni.com/t5/BreakPoint/bd-p/BreakPoint

That's a link to the casual talk forum.  I'll message you about the last piece