LabVIEW Application won't download to PDA using Mobile 5.0

[sfrosty]

LabVIEW PDA application will not download to Dell AXIM X51 which uses the Windows Mobile 5.0 operating system. Works normally with Dell AXIM 3.1 and PC2003 operating system. Recompiled program and rebooted computer several times. LabVIEW hangs when trying to download application.

[tst]

How about just building the application in LV and letting ActiveSync download it automatically and then run it yourself?
Requires a couple of extra steps, but hey, it worked in LV 7.0.

[Bob_Y.]

I have a Dell Axim X51v with Windows Mobile 5.0 (A04) and it works fine.  Could you give a little more information about your VI?  Are you trying to do anything that is extremely difficult for a PDA?  Maybe if you posted it you could see if it works for others.

If it works for me and not for you, I will try to get a co-worker who has the Axim X51 to try it as well.

Also, is it all programs that you are trying to download or just this one?  Maybe you could try a simple example.

Thanks,
Bob Young

[sfrosty]

Thanks guys! I am able to copy the file to the PDA and than run it successfully, but I'd like to download it to the target through LabVIEW. It locks up no matter which application I use when downloading through LabVIEW; NI example or my own. Thanks for the info. If it's working for you guys than it may be a conflict with the global client load we use here. Everything works normally using a PDA with PC2003.

[rberger]

Hi LVer's

I encountered the same problem downloading from LabVIEW to my PDA smartphones using Windows Mobile 5.0  The Smartphones I used were the Samsung SCH-i730 and Palm Treo700w.

Can anybody else confirm this download issue?

I believe it only happens with Smartphones.

Robert

[AESulzer]

Robert,

Have you seen this KB about PDA downloading issues? Make sure that you are not experiencing one of the common issues for running into this problem. Also, what version of LabVIEW are you using? If you are using LabVIEW 8.0, make sure that you have installed the latest patch (8.0.1).

Kind Regards,

[sfrosty]

Still can't get the PDA module to work with a Mobile 5 OS device. It still works great with a Pocket PC 2003 device.

I've tried a Dell Axim 51V and Sprint Audiovox 6700 phone with mobile 5.

I reloaded everything on the machine in this order:

Active Sync, LabVIEW 8.0, the Microsoft embedded tools: C + + 4.0, eVCSP4, and PC 2003 SDK, LabVIEW 8.0 PDA module. In this scenario, the PDA module connects with Pocket PC 2003 but not with Mobile 5.

I than loaded LabVIEW 8.0.1. In this scenario, the PDA module connects with Pocket PC 2003 but not with Mobile 5.

I than loaded LabVIEW PDA module 8.0.1. In this scenario, the PDA module connects with Pocket PC 2003 but not with Mobile 5.

Now according to the NI website info at www.ni.com/info info code pdaevc: Note: Applications you build with the 8.0 PDA Module work on Windows Mobile 5.0 devices

However, according to the info on the same page: You must install the following tools to enable Windows Mobile 5.0 support.

• Visual Studio 2005 Standard or Professional Edition
  
• ActiveSync 4.1 or later
  
• Windows Mobile 5.0 SDK for Pocket PC
  
• Visual Studio 2005 Device Command Shell (DCS)

So maybe I'm not interpretting this correctly. Is it that I must load the above components which include Visual Studio in order to CONNECT to a mobile 5 device? In the document it says that apps built with labVIEW 8.0 which utilize the Microsoft embedded visual tools WORK with mobiel 5 devices. They do work, however I haven't been able to download them through LabVIEW and thereby take advantage of the debug feature.

Is there a means of obtaining an evaluation copy of Visual Studio for evaluation if indeed it is required?

Thanks!

[Bob_Y.]

Where to start . . .

I also have a Dell Axim X51v.  I have developed for it with LabVIEW 7.1.1, 8.0 and 8.0.1.  IN LabVIEW 7.1.1 and 8.0 the development was for Windows Mobile 2003.  New with LabVIEW 8.0.1 is a PDA Module update (LabVIEW PDA 8.0.1) that will let you develop for Windows Mobile 5.0 directly.  In fact, it lets you develop for several flavors of Windows Mobile 5.0.

I am not sure what the problem is.  Are you not able to select a target of Windows Mobile 5.0?  Is the build bad?  What exactly do you mean when you say that you can't connect?  Is it an Active Sync problem? (MS AS 4.1 is recommended).

As for the information on the web pages you site:

"Applications you build with the 8.0 PDA Module work on Windows Mobile 5.0 devices" is a correct statement in that they are not specifically for Windows Mobile 5.0, but they should run there.

"However, according to the info on the same page: You must install the following tools to enable Windows Mobile 5.0 support." . . .
This is also a true statement.  If you are building applications that are specific for Windows Mobile 5.0 (and don't work with earlier versions), you need to do the specified things.

When upgrading a desktop computer from Windows 2000 or NT to Windows XP, many of the programs written for the earlier versions worked.  Programs developed specifically for XP usually did not work on 2000 or NT.  Same thing with the Pocket PC except replace NT with 2003 and XP with 5.0.

And finally, "Is there a means of obtaining an evaluation copy of Visual Studio for evaluation if indeed it is required?"  Yes, you can either download one or send them $5 for shipping and they will send it all on CD.  The evaluation time limit is 90 days.

So, it all boils down to what you mean by "...to CONNECT to ...".

Hope that this helps,
Bob Young

[sfrosty]

to CONNECT to:

From the Project Explorer:

Tools/Configure Pocke PC 2003 Device

Click on Properties

Transport: Microsoft ActiveSync

Startup Server: Microsoft ActiveSync

Click on Test

PDA with Mobile 5 never connects.

PDA with PC2003 connects every time.

Every app I run on the PDA was created in Windows XP PRO

Active sync works great. I can download and run my apps on the mobile 5 PDA, but not connect and download through LabVIEW.

How about Visual Studio Standard edition? Is there an evaluation copy for it? All I could ever find was an eval for the pro edition.

This is what I really need to know:

Do I need Visual Studio and Mobile 5.0 SDK for Pocket PC to have LabVIEW connect to the mobile 5 PDA?????

or can I still use the embedded Visual C tools that are used with Pocket PC 2003 which uses the Windows Mobile 2003 SDK?

Thanks for your help!

[Bob_Y.]

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How about Visual Studio Standard edition? Is there an evaluation copy for it? All I could ever find was an eval for the pro edition.

I have been using the Pro eval version.  I am not sure if there is a standard eval version.  I am just disappointed that it doesn't work with the free express version

This is what I really need to know:
Do I need Visual Studio and Mobile 5.0 SDK for Pocket PC to have LabVIEW connect to the mobile 5 PDA?????

No.  At least I didn't need any of that before I had it.

or can I still use the embedded Visual C tools that are used with Pocket PC 2003 which uses the Windows Mobile 2003 SDK?

Yes you can just use these tools.  Here is how I have been using it.  In the project explorer right click on the project and select New -> Targets and Devices.   I select the Existing target or device radio button.  In the tree I open the PDA then PocketPC and have a selection of many device OSs and emulators.  Before I installed the Windows Mobile 5.0 tools, I only had the choice of Pocket PC 2003 Device and Pocket PC 2003 Emulator.  These should be your selections.  Choose Pocket PC 2003 Device.  It this does not exist as a target, I don't know how to help you.

You will then have a new target in the project.  Create or place your VIs under that target and save the project.  You will need to create a new build specification by right clicking on the Build Specifications and selecting New -> Pocket PC Application.  You will then have a build settings dialog.  Fill in the required information and make sure that the device info is correct.

Now when you run the build script, it should create and download the exe.

I hope that this works for you.  I know it can be really frustrating when you are so close but it just doesn't work

Bob Young