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Why does NI-9233 with IEPE microphone report 39dBA as minimum noise level?

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Why does NI-9233 with IEPE microphone report 39dBA as minimum noise level?

Hi,

 

I have been using an ACO Pacific 1/2" IEPE microphone and preamp (7052SYS) with cDAQ and a 9233 IEPE module. The ACO mic is very similar to the G.R.A.S. 46AE (50mV/Pa) but with a 20mV/Pa sensitivity. Using this set-up in a hemi-anechoic chamber, the SPL is reported as about 39dBA (using the Sound and Vibration standard  'sound meter' VI). Yet, the third party lab's signal analyzer reports the room at about 25dBA. I have partially verified the NI set-up with a 114dB 1kHz calibrator. The NI set-up indicates about 114.3dBA. So we are on the money there.

 

Is there a noise floor on the 9233 that I am dealing with? Any thoughts? Recently, my company has built its own hemi-anechoic chamber and we like the NI tools. We had hoped to use the newer 9234 with a cDAQ chassis since the 51.2kS/sec is sufficient for our measurement range of 20-20kHz. We already use cDAQ extensively here. 

 

Thanks,

-JD

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Re: Why does NI-9233 with IEPE microphone report 39dBA as minimum noise level?

From the 9233 specs:

9233 Noise Specs.PNG

 

Integrating Noise density:
A-Weighted Power = ( A weighting power factor for bandwidth ) * (Bandwidth) * ( Noise Level )^2
A-Weighted Power = ( 0.53 ) * ( 20000 - 20 Hz ) * ( 400 nV / sqrt(Hz) / 20 mV / Pa )^2
A-Weighted Power = 4.26u Pa^2 rms
Leq (A-Weighted) = 2.06m Pa rms = 40.2 dB(A) ref 20u Pa

 

Calculating from Noise at full scale range:
FS = Voltage Range / Sensitivity
FS = ( 5 / sqrt(2) ) V rms / ( 20 mV / Pa ) = 176.8 Pa rms = 138.9 dB ref 20u Pa
Noise = 138.9 dB ref 20u Pa - 95 dB FS - 2.73 dB(A) = 41.2 dB(A) ref 20u Pa

 

So the fact that you are reading 39 dB(A) indicates that your 9233 noise is meeting specifications. There is still an issue that some effort needs to be made to better match the signal range to the input range of the 9233. You can add some external signal conditioning to apply pregain (20 dB) to the microphone output before the 9233. You also have other DSA hardware options that include input gain.

Doug
NI Sound and Vibration
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Re: Why does NI-9233 with IEPE microphone report 39dBA as minimum noise level?

Doug,

 

Excellent post. Thank you for the detailed reply; this is essentially what I figured the situation was. Can you suggest how we might add 20dB pregain before the 9233/9234?

 

Thanks,

-JD

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Re: Why does NI-9233 with IEPE microphone report 39dBA as minimum noise level?

It depends on how many channels you want to measure in your anechoic chamber. GRAS Sound and Vibration offer a 1/2" preamplifier that will work with a 1/2" pre-polarized microphone capsule and provide up to +20 dB gain. It requires at least 3 mA of current and each channel of the 9233/9234 provides only 2 mA.   You have to tie two channels on the 9233/9234 to provide enough current which is not ideal.     If you plan on making Sound Power measurements in your anechoic chamber, you will probably need 8+ channels.

 

You might want to look at moving to the PXIe-449X series dynamic signal acquisition modules for making measurements in your anechoic chamber.   These modules offer more dynamic range (113 dB vs 102 dB) as well as gain settings for the same basic price per channel as the 923X modules and and program the same way.    These come in 8 - 16 ch. versions per module.      With these, you would be capable of measuring down to the noise floor of the microphone (probably about 20 dbA).

 

Here is a case study about using these modules in an anechoic chamber.    

 

http://sine.ni.com/cs/app/doc/p/id/cs-13433

 

Kurt Veggeberg

Business Development Manager,  Sound and Vibration

kurt.veggeberg@ni.com

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