10-19-2007 11:35 AM
10-19-2007 11:56 AM
You're wrong in putting the blame with Dell and HP etc. ALL mainboard manufacturers have been slowly cutting down on PCI slots, in favor of PCIe. (Just like they have slowly removed ISA). The same is going on with serial, with is slowly getting replaced by USB.
This is called progress. Sure, it can be annoying, but it's inevitable. Also, a mainboard that has both the new standards, and all of the old ones, would be rediculously big and expensive. Can you imagine a mainboard with 8 ISA, 5 PCI , 1x AGP and all the modern PCIe slots?
Some suppliers might deliver exotic mainboards that give what you want.... but they tend to be rare and expensive.
There are other solutions to your problems. There's USB to serial converters. There's also PCIe to PCI extention boxes. (One PCIe to 4 PCI in a seperate case)
I do agree that it's strange that mainboards are removing the serial ports. I'd rather have them remove the parallel port. I can't remember the last time I used that one, and it takes lots of space... While serial ports are used for lots of things. (Not just instrument control)
10-19-2007 12:25 PM
10-19-2007 12:31 PM
Formerly ICS-Advent, I have used them a few times with good results and some hard to find mobo configs (even still have ISA slots on some offerings)
10-19-2007 01:44 PM
10-19-2007 02:13 PM
10-19-2007 02:27 PM
10-19-2007 09:23 PM
Yuri,
I understand your frustation, in addition another more commonly cited aspect is the fast moving pace of the mainstream consumer PC market that churns every 6 months. This means even if you do find a suitable machine, it won't stay around long enough for you standardize on it!
As a general poll, for you and other readers/subscribers to this thread, can I get a virtual show of hands on how many of you think NI should be offering some sort of industrial PC, and if you think we should, what are the salient characteristics - price, features, long life, environmental spec, etc. etc.? No promises, but we are aware of these issues and are surveying the options.
Kind Regards
TIm Fountain
10-20-2007 02:40 AM - edited 10-20-2007 02:40 AM
Message Edited by Yuri33 on 10-20-2007 02:43 AM
10-21-2007 05:20 PM
@Tim Fountain wrote:
As a general poll, for you and other readers/subscribers to this thread, can I get a virtual show of hands on how many of you think NI should be offering some sort of industrial PC, and if you think we should, what are the salient characteristics - price, features, long life, environmental spec, etc. etc.? No promises, but we are aware of these issues and are surveying the options.
My hand is UP..!! You are close to this already with the PXI / CompactPCI products... WHat would be nice is a hybrid chassis that would support other PCI cards or even some legacy cards... You'd be surprised what we see at customers these days!! Some clients are still running Win-95 because of legacy code.
I think this would go well if the price range (excluding monitor, keyboard, mouse) was between $1-2K.
I will soon be purchasing rack-mounted industrial PC's within the next 6 months (actually two). This will be an interesting topic for myself, as well.
🙂