LabVIEW subscription model for 2022

[Gribo]

OpenCV + EMGU is a good start for LV applications. Not all of the OpenCV capabilities will be available (mainly CUDA acceleration), but it is a good enough baseline for many computer vision applications.

[NIquist]

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@1100fps wrote:

Is there any vision platform out there the integrates well / easily with LabVIEW? I'm open to suggestions.  I'll be having long conversations with vendors at the Boston Vision Show in October, and maybe put in a call to my buddy at Graftek, so see what he thinks.

I initially really liked the NI Vision Builder since it allowed me to play around with all the tools in a wizard-like environment and then convert the whole thing to LabVIEW to make a real app out of it.  Unfortunately every time we tried to do any serious vision analysis, NI-Vision was WAY too slow.  In an app that calculated the camera angle (perspective) by imaging a simple grid of lines NI-Vision took a couple minutes.  Re-writing the analysis in C++ (with OpenCV) and using the DLL performed the calculation in a couple seconds making the app usable.

[1100fps]

Interesting.  I have been watching OpenCV and OpenMV for a while.  EMGU is new to me.  Extremely interesting. The price of a commercial license looks to be extremely reasonable.  this is a rabbit hole worth diving into.

thanks!

Robert

[MichaelBalzer]

Looks like the subscription model is having a negative impact at universities. See the notice "Changes to the University LabVIEW License" from the University of Manchester. The short version is they've paid up the 3yr subscription at the current rate, but may not renew come 2025 due to the significant price increase. Access to LabVIEW for staff and students has also been limited with the new licensing scheme.

After the end of the current license period (28/05/2025) the cost for the LabVIEW license will increase significantly (this affects all UK universities, not just our University) with negotiations with the vendor on-going. The University is considering options and there is a risk that the University might not renew the licence in its current form (or at all) beyond 2025.

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NI used to fall over themselves trying to get a foot in the door at educational institutions, only to turn around and slam it in their faces. It's such a shame to see this happening.

[Taggart]

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@MichaelBalzer wrote:

Looks like the subscription model is having a negative impact at universities. See the notice "Changes to the University LabVIEW License" from the University of Manchester. The short version is they've paid up the 3yr subscription at the current rate, but may not renew come 2025 due to the significant price increase. Access to LabVIEW for staff and students has also been limited with the new licensing scheme.

After the end of the current license period (28/05/2025) the cost for the LabVIEW license will increase significantly (this affects all UK universities, not just our University) with negotiations with the vendor on-going. The University is considering options and there is a risk that the University might not renew the licence in its current form (or at all) beyond 2025.

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NI used to fall over themselves trying to get a foot in the door at educational institutions, only to turn around and slam it in their faces. It's such a shame to see this happening.

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but that seems rather short-sighted. I get that NI isn't making a bunch of money off universities, but those students are what's filling the pipeline of new developers. If you make it harder for them to get a hold of LabVIEW, they are just going to turn to Python. Not sure that is in NI's best interests long-term. Certainly not in the best interest of LabVIEW and the LabVIEW community.

[labview-crash]

Dr Truchard's NI had a 100 years plan and I remember when "LabVIEW everywhere" badges were distributed at NIWeek.

Of course that was more than 20 years ago.

[beuvink]

I heard that they are now preparing 'LabVIEW anywhere?' badges...

[CyGa]

When you read the whole article, they also say that all students and teachers should remove their LV installtion from their personnal PC.

But can't they use LabVIEW home edition instead ? => Full free on their personnal PC... and the work could be transfered on the unversity's PCs whithout problems I guess (unless they use specific libs that are not bundled into the Home Edition).

So maybe at the end, the university would need less seats and that would cost less, or the same price as before ?

Not a fan at all of NI's subscription model, but I wonder if in that case, things were explained correctly to the university ?!

For all the other remarks, I fully agree : students should be encouraged ti use LV, not the other way around !

If students cannot get their hands in LV code, it will affect the whole industry since people qualified (AND/OR INTERESTED IN) LabVIEW won't be available on the job market.

[cbutcher]

Home edition requires a license, and community edition excludes academic work.

Presumably the workaround is to use remote desktop or similar to a work-owned desktop or similar, which I suspect will be where I might find myself in the future.

[CyGa]

Indeed, you are right ! 

From NI's website : 'LabVIEW Community edition is not for use at degree-granting institutions such as universities, vocational schools, and certification programs'.

Damn ! So bad move from NI !