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One thing I haven't seen adressed since early on (might have missed it) is this idea from NI that SaaS will allow something more like a rolling release of updates since (their words) they won't be restricted into packing enough updates into a yearly release to make a new version worth purchasing. I haven't seen any elaboration on how they plan to do this and I am very skeptical that updates will become more frequent.

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@Taggart wrote:

from the second link

 

"A debug/deployment license has a one-time cost and is not affected by subscription. Once you purchase and deploy a debug/deployment license, ..."


Excactly! You have to pay for it!

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HB@BNT wrote:

@Taggart wrote:

from the second link

 

"A debug/deployment license has a one-time cost and is not affected by subscription. Once you purchase and deploy a debug/deployment license, ..."


Excactly! You have to pay for it!


Yes, you do! But you only have to pay for it once (one-time cost) instead of a subscription. Would it be better if it was free - sure it would. At least they are throwing us a bone. I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend them. Just pointing out that it exists as an option.

 

I do have to say that is one limitation inherent in LabVIEW. If you have LabVIEW code that you want to convert to some other language (for example Python) or if you just simply want to understand what it is doing, you not only need someone who understands LabVIEW to explain what it does, but you also need a LabVIEW license of some kind ($$).

 

Contrast that with text-based languages. For example, if I want to look at some C#. I need someone who understands C#, but I don't necessarily need any license (ie. FREE) since it is just a text file and you can open it in any text editor to take a look at it.

I personally would still like to see a free LabVIEW Viewer. That would be nice. I'm not holding my breath on that though. If it's free, what is the incentive for NI to make it? It would be a nice thing to do, but I'm not sure I can make a business case for that, and I'm not sure that NI is interested

in building goodwill among the community at the moment (much less spending money on that).

 

I'm going to suggest that for presumably a low cost (I don't know much about the internals of LabVIEW, but it seems this would be the cheapest way to do it) NI could possibly just release a free version of the IDE with save disabled. That would let you browse LabVIEW code very easily and probably not cost NI a lot of money.

Sam Taggart
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And do I understand it right that I have to pay 3020€ for the LabView Professional version every year to create new LabView Applications?

 

like shown in https://www.ni.com/de-de/shop/labview/select-edition.html

 

LabView 3020 Eur.png

 

That can not be true !!! I hope so !!! I hope so much that it is not true !!!

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That’s why there are 41 pages in this thread.

 

You either stick with your current perpetual license, no longer updating.

 

Or you pay this amount each year. The moment you don’t pay, you can’t even look at your code. Forget about making minor changes or fix bugs

 

three work-arounds:

- stick with current version and get a new subscription license when you really-really need it (~3 years from now…if NI still exist by then…)

- get a debug-and-deployment license after you finished your project

- (edit) as mentioned below. If you don’t have an SSP at this time, with some effort/luck you can still last-time buy a perpetual license

 

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It was mentioned multiple time that if you insist real hard you can still order a perpetual license, there is even a part number for this, haven't seen the price of that though.

Same for the debug/deploy license, what's the price of that compared to the subscription price?


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@TiTou wrote:

It was mentioned multiple time that if you insist real hard you can still order a perpetual license, there is even a part number for this, haven't seen the price of that though.

Same for the debug/deploy license, what's the price of that compared to the subscription price?


The Debug/Deployment license is basically the same price as the Professional subscription price per here: https://www.ni.com/en-us/shop/software/products/labview.html 


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LabVIEW Professional Development System is now UK £6,675 for the perpetual license... ouch

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I got my new quotation today, trying to sell me the subscription idea. I replied that I'll stick with my LabVIEW 2021 until further notice, and do not accept the new license model. I recomend all other LabVIEW programmers to do the same.

Martin

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@beuvink wrote:

That’s why there are 41 pages in this thread.

 

You either stick with your current perpetual license, no longer updating.

 

Or you pay this amount each year. The moment you don’t pay, you can’t even look at your code. Forget about making minor changes or fix bugs

 

three work-arounds:

- stick with current version and get a new subscription license when you really-really need it (~3 years from now…if NI still exist by then…)

- get a debug-and-deployment license after you finished your project

- (edit) as mentioned below. If you don’t have an SSP at this time, with some effort/luck you can still last-time buy a perpetual license

 


We decided to go with option one in my company (at least in the UK offices). We're going to stick with the version we have now and investigate our options. We'll either make the transition to another language or buy back into LabVIEW when (and if) we eventually have to.

I feel quite saddened by the changes going on at NI. When I first started out with LabVIEW (Version 5) NI felt more like a partner than a supplier. Those days are definitely gone.

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