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Quite often I find myself using a combination of Array Size + Index Array with a constant to know just one size of a multidimensional array. Wouldn't it be easier, if Array size would behave in a similar way as other array functions - depending on how many dimensions the array has, so many outputs show up. The example shows 2 dimensions, but could be expanded to more

This post is intended to present a solution to a problem that I was struggling with using LV2 global variables in my applications.

I don't claim that this is a unique or elegant solution or even the first of its kind, but I'd be curious to hear comments and suggestions about it.

Since it might be a long post, I will split it into 3 parts.

Part 1 (below) will discuss the intended functionalities.

Part 2 will present my current implementation.

Finally, I will try to summarize all this into Part 3, opening the discussion.

So you may want to wait until that part is published before posting your comments (if any).

Part 1: What do I mean by Generalized Functional Global (or GFG)?

The LV2 global variable (or functional global, FG in short) is a well known structure (see for instance the beginning of this thread). It is a subVI which can store data locally in between calls. Usually it comes with a "Write" (or "Set") action and a "Read" (or "Get") action and a few inputs (and the same number of outputs). The inputs are the variables you want to update and the outputs, their corresponding values.

The advantage of this design over the standard LV global is that there is only one copy of your variables in memory. If you are only using scalars or string, etc., using LV globals might not necessarily be a big problem, but if you start storing arrays of large data structure, it could result in a significant performance penalty.

Note that there are other ways to pass data from VIs to VIs (queues and notifiers). Here, I am concerned with long term storage available from many parts of an architecture (e.g. subVIs or dynamically launched Vis).

To begin with, there are two major limitations with any design based on FG (at least that I am not happy with):

1) First, as emphasized above, due to the limited connectivity of a VI's connector pane, a FG cannot store a large number of variables. You can use clusters, but that is not always very practical.

2) Second, if you try to cramp as many variables in a single FG, you will probably run into the issue that you don't necessarily want to reset all variables at once, but maybe just one or two. That calls for a more sophisticated set of actions (Write Variable 1, Write Variable 2, etc, and possibly Write All, Clear All, etc).

In practice, if you use a lot of those FG, you will encounter a third problem:

3) In which FG did I store this @$%&! variable?

Some of my applications contain many of these FGs and I figured that this had become impractical to handle when I started duplicating them, having forgotten that I was handling variable "X" in an existing FG.

The obvious solution (apart from NOT using FGs) is to have a single FG that is designed such as to handle an unlimited number of variables of ANY type that can be modified at ANY TIME from ANYWHERE.

I first looked at the WORM (Write Once Read Many) design of tbob (you’ve got to go to the end of the thread to download the final version of the WORM VI). It is a very clever and compact solution to store different types of variables within a single variant.

Two of the limitations I saw in this design are that you need to know:

1) the NAME of the variable you want to access.

2) the TYPE of the variable that you are WRITING or READING.

Let me clarify those two points.

It seems obvious that you HAVE TO know the name of the variable you are interested in. Well, that’s maybe true when you are designing your application. But after a month or more doing other things, it is not obvious anymore whether you’ve stored the number of components as “# Components” or “Component #” in that other part of the program that…where did I save it, BTW? You get my point…

The second point is apparently taken care of by tbob’s solution of outputting the variable (as a variant) as well as its type. The problem is that this “type” provides a very limited description. For instance, what do you do with a “cluster” type?

Finally, since I want to be able to modify any variable at any time, the “Write Once” feature is not cutting it for me. This is could be easily modified, but considering the previous comments, I decided to change the architecture some more.

I will describe my solution in the next part.

Hello, I'm searching about this topic in the forums, but I find no ideas about this, if I repeat the idea please tell me.

I'm working with LabVIEW from time ago, but I've noticed that when you have a large Project is complicated to work with it. I will explain myself:

Here it is my last project (right), you can see that it have a lot of directories and a lot of classified data, controls, vi's and some more stuff. I hope you are familiar with it. Well, you will work with it for a lot of time, but when you want to go fast you need to access to some controls or global variables files a few times, don't you?. This is annoying with the actual interface, because of the nesting in the virtual directories. Some kind of favorite system is needed, but instead of that I have another proposal:

Copy list.

Let me explain this idea. You can have in the project explorer, for example, integrated another tab called copy list that can be like this.

Ok, every time you do a copy action the object that you copied is added to this list classified as you can see. Now you are able to drag and drop items very fast without searching on the project explorer, you can center on the work (I've noted that I expend a lot of time searching on the project explorer tree my next control or vi to use).Well, let's see the really advantages that I think can be helpful.

If you stop the cursor on a element you could see all the related information easily:

   But this is not the only shortcut to access your "most used" stuff, I do another image to show you the options:

Now this is the real advantages:

• You can copy to the clipboard elements easily (as property node or invoke node) and without searching the control or terminal
• If a control is used a lot of times you can fix it on the copy list and you can put it in order. (The fixed elements can be marked in bold and can be in the firsts positions of the list)
• Of course you can remove a element that you don't use.
• If you must to go home you can save the copy list to get it easily tomorrow.
• An extended help is useful in this list.
• I think that a rename option is helpful too.

You can define the length of the list to achieve some memory optimization (but with the actual development computers I think that this is not a problem).

But for this price I think that this can be a great tool to work fastest on LV.

What do you think?

Often times, I have a set of code in a for loop that takes a while to complete, so I put in a progress bar on the UI.  The problem is the progress bar defaults to 0-100 range, and my for loop normally does not have 100 iterations. 

So.... I can either rescale the progress bar to the number of elements, or I can use the "N" and "i" to calculate the percent complete and use that.

Since I like to keep my progress bars as 0-100 (since that works nicely to also show a percent complete) and % complete is useful elsewhere, I generally always end up calculating % complete of my for loops.

Well, why can't NI calculate this for me automatically???  Something like expanding the "i" iteration counter in the loop also have a "%" box right next to it.

Example shown below should probably wire as a double instead of an int, but you get the idea!

When I save a vi for a previous version then the next time I open that vi and close it LabVIEW prompts me to save it because it was converted from a previous version. I should be able to open it, make changes, and save it again with LabVIEW remembering what version I wanted it saved for. Maybe the version could be a vi property?