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Retired LabVIEW features?

Hornless.Rhino — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 03:56:05 GMT

So I've stumbled across the fact that LabVIEW 8.6 doesn't let me use more than 63 array dimensions like 7.1 (a friend uses it) did. (it also takes longer to open, but that's another story).

So what else is gone?

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

altenbach — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:07:35 GMT

I am curious about the usefulness of more than 63 dimensions. Even if the size of each dimension is only 2, you will break all size limits. This means that at least about half of the dimensions need to be 1. So what's the point?

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

PaulG. — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:43:21 GMT

Not intending to act like a troll or hijack the thread, but I'm sure some physicist trying to make his math work might need more than 63 dimensions. Just sayin'.

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:43:12 GMT

I tried to make a 100d array back in about BV 2.1 and the diagram was comical, unitl I put a value in the array and it crashed.

I'll play along and mention the we used to be able to create a reference to the Cursor Palette that gave us complete control over what could be seen and we could customize it to our liking. See this thread to learn more about that one.

If I remeber any others I post them up.

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:14:26 GMT

I am going to pis$ myself off posting to this thread but here goes.

The State Diagram Editor.

I still morn the passing of a wonderful tool!

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:16:21 GMT

BridgeVIEW's tag engine.

The CPU requirements did NOT scale with tag count and even 400 MHz machines could keep up with 5000 tags.

There used to be a white paper showing this fact.

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:45:23 GMT

How about some more "I miss" items?

Greg McKaskle - Now a Senior Architect (or better) in LV R&D used to answer questions here on the forum. It was nice to have him lift the hood regularly.

Dr. VI - Nice technical articles.

LV Challenges - Oh the fun we had trying to beat the crap out of our friends.

The ability to put a VI in the True case of a case structure with boolean Flase to include a VI in memory and simplify loading it at run time.

And since I am depressing myself with every item why stop with the current situation?

The CW 3D graph will of course not work on some platform and we will have to go to the new 3D picture version of the graphs where they seem to want to duplicate the data set about 10X before event thinking of rendering a pixel.

I suspect I am going to end up in a croner wimpering before the day is done.

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:49:15 GMT

"I miss"...

The ability to use a VI in VI.lib that is NOT on the pallettes without fear that the next version of LV will kill your code (e.g. WE can no longer write a config file to disk without closing it.)

Where did I leave my towelie?

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:24 GMT

I miss

The day when someone could concider themselves a good LV developers without having to talk OOPishly.

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Henrik_Volkers — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:00:04 GMT

The ability to run an executable vi ( exe) without installing the runtime-engine or the VISA driver... just copy the lvrt.dll and the serial(??).dll one the same disk (something I don't miss, I prefer the stick 😉 ) and run your vi wherever you want....

DID YOU KUDOS THE PORTABLE APP IDEA??

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

SteveChandler — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:57:14 GMT

I miss being forced to be extremely careful and thoughtful before making any changes to my code. Undo makes it so that I don't need to really think about what I'm doing anymore. Also the fact that I can move a node around without unhooking all the wires first means that I don't have to do as much prior planning. Integration with source control just makes things so much worse.

:-))

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

crossrulz — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:02:22 GMT

And remember when LabVIEW was so easy a marketing person could do it.

(Let the Elijah jokes begin)

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Hornless.Rhino — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:32:37 GMT

@altenbach wrote:

I am curious about the usefulness of more than 63 dimensions. Even if the size of each dimension is only 2, you will break all size limits. This means that at least about half of the dimensions need to be 1. So what's the point?

Oh I don't need them, I was just curious as to how high I could go, (and how thick the lines got)

@PaulG. wrote:

I'm sure some physicist trying to make his math work might need more than 63 dimensions. Just sayin'.

Sounds messy.

@Ben wrote:

The State Diagram Editor.

Ben

Looks pretty useful.

@Ben wrote:

The ability to put a VI in the True case of a case structure with boolean Flase to include a VI in memory and simplify loading it at run time.

Ben

That would have solved the orignal question I posted when I first signed up to these forums.

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

JB — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:05:05 GMT

Ben a écrit :

I am going to pis$ myself off posting to this thread but here goes.

The State Diagram Editor.

I still morn the passing of a wonderful tool!

Ben

I fully agree with you Ben and I can't understand why NI stopped to support this very useful tool. The Statechart Module isn't a replacement.

For your information, I'm still using this unsupported tool with LV 2011 SP1. But with every new version of LV I fear it will no longer be compatible.

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

aeastet — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:25:28 GMT

Well this one is more of a DaqMX thing then LabVIEW. I miss being able to create Global Virtual channels and just import them and they work. Now if I do not have a card installed I have to create a simulated card or if I unplug the daq card and plug it in somewhere else I have to delete the old device and retarget. They should make these run off of the serial number not when you plugged them in.

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:52:29 GMT

@JB wrote:

Ben a écrit :

I am going to pis$ myself off posting to this thread but here goes.

The State Diagram Editor.

I still morn the passing of a wonderful tool!

Ben

I fully agree with you Ben and I can't understand why NI stopped to support this very useful tool. The Statechart Module isn't a replacement.

For your information, I'm still using this unsupported tool with LV 2011 SP1. But with every new version of LV I fear it will no longer be compatible.

I started a new thread in the LV forum found here to see if we can get NI to start supporting the SDE again.

Please reply to that thread to add your support for the SDE.

Thank you!

Ben

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Kevin_Hogan — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:29:55 GMT

Out of curiosity - does using a static VI reference not accomplish the same result?

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Kevin_Hogan — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:30:59 GMT

(sorry - should have added some context - that was in reference to using a VI inside the "true" case of a case structure)

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Mads — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:13:45 GMT

You can also just replace the boolean constant with a boolean control - the VIs will then still be included.

Re: Retired LabVIEW features?

Ben — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:44:52 GMT

@Mads wrote:

You can also just replace the boolean constant with a boolean control - the VIs will then still be included.

old habits die hard.

Ben