topic Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration in LabVIEW

Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:03:47 GMT

Hello,

We have LabVIEW integrated with our source control system, using SCC.

When we make a change to the project file, e.g. add a VI, this checks the project file out and applies the change. On occasion we get the message "The file <project file> has been changed on disk by an external action. You will need to reload then poject to reflect this change"; .e.g some has worked locally for a while and has gone to get the last version of the project from source control.

To perform this reload we are having to exit LabVIEW and re-start it, otherwise we sometime get a locally cached version.

Is there a better way of forcing it to reload, preferably automatically?

Thanks, for the help

Jon.

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

Ali_Bailey — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:32:18 GMT

Hi Jon,

Would you be able to tell me which versions of LabVIEW & your source code control software you are working with please?

Also, do you know how you have the source code control software configured in LabVIEW?

Many thanks,

Ali Bailey

National Instruments

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:05:34 GMT

Hi,

LabVIEW 2011 SP 1

Boarland StarTeam 2008 Release 2, which integrates via SCC

If I click Tool - Options - Source Control the settings are as follows:

Source Control Provider Name - StarTeam
Source Control Project - <StarTeam connection to our repository>
Display only selected file in Source Control Operations dialog box - checked
Include hierarchy when adding files - unchecked
Include callers when checking out files - unchecked
Display Source Control Operations dialog box for file checkout - unchecked
Prompt to chedk out files when edited - checked
Prompt to add file to source control when adding to LabVIEW project - checked
Notify if files are already checked out - checked

I can tell you more if you want to know something more specific?

Our folders in the LabVIEW project are not auto populating, but having raised a support call a while ago I think we came to the conclusion that that was of little consequence either way.

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

Ali_Bailey — Mon, 19 May 2025 21:07:49 GMT

Hi Jon,

I have been doing some more digging and I have found that there can be a few causes. One of the most common is that Sub VIs are being changed, causing any calling VIs to need updating because the compiled binary has been modified. To accomodate for this, there is a property of a VI that allow you to separate the binary from the source file so that SCC doesn't worry about changes to the binary. Here is a link to the LabVIEW Help file that describes that function in more detail (Separating Compiled Code from VIs). If it turns out that this is the issue and you have a lot of VIs to change this for then I have found a post from a member of the community that seems to help in outo setting that property (Separate Compiled Code for VIs and other files).

Hopefully that will be the cause and those links help.

Let me know how things progress.

Best regards,

Ali Bailey

National Instruments

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:55:07 GMT

Thanks for the info, I'll have a read. It looks interesting.

Specifically we have a problem with the project file.

Assume there are two team mambers A and B, both working with the same held in source control.

If person A adds some VIs to their project, but doesn't check out the project from source control (e.g. they want to work locally for a while until they've built their VIs), they will get a writable local copy of the project file.

Person B checks out the project, adds VI, checks in the VI and the project.

If person A then goes to check out the project they get the lock on the project but the project file, and hence what they see in project explorer; is their cached local copy. Only by closing LabVIEW without saving changes to the project file and then reopening LabVIEW and then the project can person A get back to the copy from source control.

Is there an option in LabVIEW to allow the project file to be forcably reloaded, without having to exit?

Will disconnecting the VIs and the compiled code help resolve this issue?

Thanks for the help,

Jon.

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

Ali_Bailey — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:40:46 GMT

Hi Jon,

I don't anticipate that my suggestion will solve your issue I am afraid if it is changes with the project file specifically as it is just an XML file behind the scenes.

When you are getting the lock on the project it sounds like person A has their local copy still open. If this is the case then am I correct in thinking that the local copy and SCC copy have the same name?

Also, does person A have to just close the project and return to the "Getting Started" screen or do they have to close that too?

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:49:36 GMT

Hi,

Yes person A has their copy still open. Not sure how you get the latest version of the project file without having the project open. We could use the source control client rather than the LabVIEW integration, but that would defeat the point really.

You also have to close the "Gettting Started" screen as well; i.e come right out of LabVIEW.

Been playing around a bit. We get the same problem when we just do a "Get latest version" on the project file.

In contrast with a VI, you get a popup box that asks you if you would like to revert to the disk version (which has just been extracted from source control) and loose you're changes, that would be OK as a sloution for the projectbut we never see that popup.

Jon.

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

Andrey_Dmitriev — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:29:08 GMT

It happened not only with project file, but also with libraries (and classes, I guess).

When someone has added some new items into the library, then other person should reload whole project.

Refere to this topic - Re: Get latest version: New vi's do not appear

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:43:17 GMT

Hi,

(Front the last post in the first page)

"Regarding Get Latest, when I perform that action, I do get a prompt that states that the

file has been changed on disk and that you need to manually reload the project. The project

is not automatically reloaded due to issues involving running VIs, connected targets, etc.

and what the behavior would be of automatically shutting all that down. We figured the

customer would be know how to clean up and then manually reload the project."

Yep, that's the problem.

Is there a way of not having to exit LabVIEW in order to reload the project?

Is there an option somewhere, given that that thread was 4 years ago, that allows the project to be reloaded?

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

gmart — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:37:28 GMT

@jonnnnnnn wrote:

In contrast with a VI, you get a popup box that asks you if you would like to revert to the disk version (which has just been extracted from source control) and loose you're changes, that would be OK as a sloution for the projectbut we never see that popup.

Jon.

Project present a larger scoping problem with trying to revert them. You could have many VI open from the project and those VI could be edited with unsaved changes or running. You could be connected to a target or performing other actions controlled by the project. Rather than causing loss of work by automatically attempting to reopen the project, that exercise if left to the user. There could be issue with trying to force shutdown running VIs and leaving resources uncleaned (if using hardware) and so forth. With VIs, the scope is much more limited and so we present the option to revert the file for you.

The recommended process for dealing with this situation is to always get the latest version of the project before starting any development to make sure that it is up to date. You can then take advantage of a menu option on the project file itself - "Get Latest Version of All Files". This option will list all the files in the project including any new ones that you don't currently have and get the latest version of the files.

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

jonnnnnnn — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:17:39 GMT

>You can then take advantage of a menu option on the project file itself - "Get Latest Version of All Files".

This only works if the project file is upto date, otherwise it tell you to update the project file.

This morning I have done the following:

- Opened the project from the start screen. It immediately opens with a * next to the file name on the title bar, indicating something has changed.

- I do tools - source control - get latest version, to get the latest version of the project file.

- I now have to exit LabVIEW because I'm looking at the cached version, rather than the one from disk

- Start LabVIEW and open the project from the start screen again.

- Right click - "Get Latest Version of All Files"

- Now it says I've changed the project again, I have and asterix.

- If I make the local copy writable and then save the project file, there are no differences between that one and the one in source control.

I think I can see why people might not want to be forced to reload the project, but I'm will not clear why I having to close LabVIEW to reload the project? If I close the project and re-open it again that should surely be enough?

Re: Project File Reload SCC Integration

Ali_Bailey — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:54:51 GMT

Hi Jon,

I can see where you are coming from with the part about just closing down just the project.

That said, in order to implement some features, LabVIEW is built so that it holds items in memory until it is completely closed down. Because of that I don't anticipate there being a change to alter this behaviour in the short term.

I realise that may not be the answer you were hoping for just now however you can certainly publish your idea to the LabVIEW Idea Exchange to contribute to possible future enhancements.