Xilinx log window should use a fixed-width font.
Which of these two string indicators with identical content is easier to read?
User Lorn has found a brilliant tip for *DRASTICALLY* speeding up FPGA compile times under Windows for PCs with the turbo boost feature. What's more, it's extremely simple to implement.
Please let's see this in future versions of LabVIEW as standard.
Even though ibberger touched the concept in the idea , I do think that most o people uses LabVIEW under Windows environment. Compiling a FPGA VI happens all in the PC under Windows. I noticed that during this process the compiler uses only one core. Since I'm using a machine with a 4 core processor, the CPU use rarely goes above 25%.
My idea is to update the compiler allowing it to be multicore. The user should have the option to limit the maximum number of cores available to the compiler. This is necessary because the user may want to continue working, while the compiling process is being done in background.
Currently when you build a VI the bit file path is stored as relative (you can see it in the project XML). This means if you change the project location either:
You have to recompile the FPGA to use VI mode or run interactively. It seems the bitfile could be stored as a relative path like all VIs in the projects.
This is the current situation when dealing with register creation on FPGA targets:
This is what I would like:
I am currently creating a group of classes to abstract out inter-loop communication and the ONLY thing changing between classes (aside from variations between Ragister vs FIFO vs Global and so on) is the datatype. Being able to link the Register creation to a data input (the data value of the class itself for example) would save a lot of work in such operations. If it were also possible to do the same for the Register stored within the class private data then implementing different classes int his way would be really easy.
Even without classes, the ability to autoadapt the type of registers / FIFOs in this way would be a real step towards re-usable code on FPGA.
For debugging, using FPGA VIs in interactive mode can be very valuable. I have, to this day, not been able to find out how LV determines if a bitfile and a VI match.
Therefore whenever I click on the run button for a VI, I'm never quite sure if the bitfile will match or not and often have to wait 1-5 minutes before I can resume working with LabVIEW. This is a very high price to pay for something which I end up cancelling. I would like very much if the IDE would TELL ME that the bitfile and VI don't match before starting a new compilation and thus wasting my time.
This is opposed to a CTRL_Click of the run arrow which explicitly tells the IDE to compile.
This morning, after a night of FPGA compilation, i moved my Labview project path into an other location.
(Without modification of relatives path inside the project directory)
And then ... when i tryed to launch my FPGA main VI ... the compilation started again !!!
I would be nice that the "change detection mechanism" which detect if a compilation is required or not, doesn't take care of absolute paths !
I think that the "change detection mechanism" of FPGA code should be modified in order to only take in account the FPGA code dependencies.
The dependencies should not include ...
I got following feedback from a LV FPGA user:
When developing a FPGA application in LabVIEW, after submiting a FPGA code compilation - usually quite a lengthy process - if you modify the code either on the Front Panel or Block Diagram while compiling is in progress, this results in a Compilation Error at the end.
And this occurs regardless the modification be only a mere cosmetic change, without any implication in the code that is being compiled.
This is quite frustrating when you realize that the compilation has failed (maybe after half an hour waiting) just because you unconsciously clicked and resized some control or node.
In such a situation, when LabVIEW detects a code change while the FPGA compilation is running, it should warn the user with a message box; if the user confirms the code change, the current compilation can be inmediately aborted or let it continue (at user option); on the other hand, if the user cancels the modification, nothing happens and the compilation continues to a successful (hopefully) end.
The LabVIEW FPGA module has supported static dispatch of LabVIEW Class types since 2009. This essentially means all class wires must be analyzable and statically determinable at compile-time to a single type of class. However, this class can be a derived class of the original wire type which means, for instance, invoking a dynamic dispatch method can be supported since the compiler knows exactly which function will always be called.
This is not sufficient for many applications. Implementations that require message passing or other more event oriented programming models tend to use enums and flattened bit vectors to pass different pieces of data around on the same wire. All of this packing and unpacking can automatically be handled by the compiler if we can use run-time dynamic dispatch to describe the application.
We call for the LabVIEW FPGA module to add support for true run-time dynamic dispatch to take care of this tedious, annoying, and down-right boring job of figuring out how to pack and unpack bits everywhere. Whose with me?
Long compile times are a necessary evil of FPGA code. Even with the vast improvements of Vivado, compile time still ranks as the biggest killer of large project efficiency. As compile times approach 3-4 hours, their successful completion becomes paramount. All too often I find that the Xilinx compiler running on the compile worker has completed successfully however some small communication glitch either between my development machine and the farmer or the farmer and the worker has caused the compile to be lost. It is quite frustrating to know you have a completed bitfile from Xilinx but the NI tools will not perform the final processing steps required to create the lvbitx file. The only solution is to restart the compile costing another 3-4 hours of productivity.
Typical workflow in our company for these large projects is to spend mornings testing and stressing the compile(s) from overnight. Then make any bug fixes and incremental feature improvements and try to start a compile by mid-morning. By mid-afternoon when the compile is complete do the process again so that you can process another build for overnight. If one of the compiles fails because of timing or resource problems, there's nothing that can be done. But if it fails because of glitches in NI's compile wrapper code, that becomes a waste of a half of a day of productivity.
I propose that the current methods for compiling bitfiles be modified. The goal is to improve user productivity. Some of my suggestions include:
I have several FPGA projects that require significant compile time (up to 1.5 hours), and for that I am thankful to have my compile server running on a separate computer.
The issue comes with the seven Pre-Compile steps that occurs before LabVIEW sends to the code to the compiler. On one particular project this action alone can take up to 35 minutes during which time I can do nothing on that machine.
I would like to see much of this precompile time moved from the development environment to the compile server. There already exists a mechanism for updating the user with the compile status so those precompile errors could be annunciated in a similar fashion.
Get the development system back online as quickly as possible.
As the compilation goes on of the LabVIEW FPGA code to bitfile, there is an intermediary step when a VHDL file (or maybe Verilog?) is generated. This file would be very beneficial if you want to use another FPGA target, that NI supports. I know that this VHDL file cannot be directly used for non supported FPGA, but it would be a very good starting point for the ones that know VHDL language.
Per NI Applications Engineering, "If you intend to run multiple compiles in parallel on the [Linux] server then yes, you will need the Compile Farm Toolkit running on a Windows machine to handle the parallel workers." I would like NI to support the FPGA Compile Farm Toolkit on Linux, so I don't need a dedicated Windows server to outsource compiles to workers.
Wouldnt it be nice if, when you build an FPGA, rather than poping up a modal window, and preventing you from doing anything usefull for 10 mins or so (or more, dependant on the FPGA vi), LabVIEW went away and generated the intermediate files in the background?
After all, the actual compilation is now performed asyncronously (and you are using the cloud compile, arent you? ), so why should we sit and watch the intermediate files being generated?
Imagine the hours you would save a week, just by being able to get on and do something else.
Hi, since there an be a queue for compiling FPGA code, it seems natural to me to also be able to make a queue for generating intermediate files.
I'm working with 10 build specs. for compilation per project and generating intermediate files for my design takes aprox. 3-4 minutes. This means that I need to sit by my computer for half an hour just waiting and clicking build on every build specification. Sometimes I work with FPGA VI which need to build intermediate files for something like 7-10 minutes, so this is a pain.
It would be great if there was a way of just highlighting all build specifications for compilation with shift and just creating the intermediate files for them automatically one by one.
Can this be done?
Sometimes I just want to compile a lot of Bitfiles (Be it for a release or a debugging test case) and I have to right click each and every Build spec and choose "Build". then wait about 10 seconds and do the same again for the next build spec.
How about being able to select multiple build specs and then select "Build Selection" and have time to go for lunch while the PC queues up all the compilations?
I don't use a compile farm and everything is done locally but at least the queuing could be automated.
On the cRIO-9068, the third serial port and the second Ethernet adapter is actually mounted on the FPGA, resources are consumed to redirect to realtime. Currently there are no access to this resource on the FPGA for developers, only from the Realtime.
I would like some I/O Nodes for interacting with these devices on the FPGA. NI could put up some examples how they could be used.
Today the resources are invisible to the developer, except for the additional long compile time and resources used (about 7%).
I attached pictures of the FPGA design and the resources consumed for a blank vi.
If you try to compile while pointed to a Compile Server that is for any reason inaccessible (server is down, firewall, typo in the hostname, etc.) you must wait through the generation of intermediate files, then you receive the error message that LabVIEW FPGA was unable to contact the Compile Server at your configured hostname/IP. Generating intermediate files can be a lengthy process and it shouldn't be necessary to wait through it just to find out if you have configured your Compile Server correctly. Any of the following would be a much better experience:
Simple one that I have heard a number of people request. Why is there no auto-increment on the versions of an FPGA build specification versus any other versioned build specification in LabVIEW? This should be a simple addition to bring the FPGA module inline with other LabVIEW modules.